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welcome back everybody I could not be

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more excited about today's show Jason

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you know it's a couple weeks in the

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making we got a big name guy in the show

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today we won't say his name yet even

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though everybody knows because they

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clicked it but what are your thoughts on

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our illustrious guests oh this is gonna

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be awesome uh I've been geeking out over

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this with you over uh the last few days

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just talking about it excited about this

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moment so yeah I'm pumped uh this is uh

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you know talking with Mr Dolan which

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everybody knows uh is is gonna be

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freaking fantastic so yeah I'm looking

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for a long time in the making uh we've

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been in communication for a while

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sometimes things get lost emails get

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lost things long story short we're not

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recording on a usual day you folks are

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seeing us on a normal day but uh when it

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comes to chatting with people with this

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amount of experience this kind of an

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open mindset and you know he's never

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stepped wrong he's not been you know

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caught with a fake UFO video or trying

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to make money or any hoax Richard is

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factual on point he doesn't step astray

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so I'm super pumped right now is the

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best part of my day because I get to say

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we'll be right back with Mr Richard

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welcome back everyone to a very amazing

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episode of UAP studies podcast my name

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is Louis Borges joining me as always my

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good friend and illustrious co-host Mr

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Jason Gilman how's it going this is a

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good day isn't it Louie it is a very

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good day it's uh anytime I get to

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welcome into show a legend of this

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caliber it's uh it's my favorite thing

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to do and I mean nobody for the one guy

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in the whole UFO world who doesn't know

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our guest I'll just tell you a little

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bit about him but obviously an

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award-winning author at least eight

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books that I could find just doing my

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you know futile studying online

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television and film

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um presenter you've seen him on doing

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whole show some of the TV shows like

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hanging one UFO files Ancient Aliens the

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underground sci-fi's investigates I

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could go on and on and on we are very

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excited to welcome the show today Mr

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Richard

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thank you very much you mentioned sci-fi

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investigates I got a little bit of a

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chuckle I have to say that's 15 16.

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eight no a long long time ago

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that was a fun show you've been doing

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this a long time in a field where people

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are throwing stones and we were kind of

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chatting briefly about that and the only

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way you really have staying power is to

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be like yourself in the likes of Stanton

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Friedman Jacques valet try tested uh you

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know you take it seriously in fact um

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the your wife we were chatting with she

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goes oh we like the fact that you guys

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dress up and take it seriously and we

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only interview people that do the same

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so we're extremely happy to have you

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it's been a long time in the making uh

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but for again those of you who obviously

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know your UFO career we want to learn a

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little bit about you before all of this

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so tell us a bit about who was Richard

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Dolan before UFOs my god well uh thank

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you it's really I'm glad I'm here I'm

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glad we got to make this happen

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um well you know earlier uh I just my

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last birthday I turned 60. I'm 60 now

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you're 60. you look great that's crazy

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oh thank you thank you I wasn't trying

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to aim for that but you don't look stay

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over fabulous all right I'm amazed I'm

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amazed at it when I think so I was born

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in the early 60s and in the New York

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I grew up there grew up on Long Island I

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used to have the accent really strong

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kind of went away when I was a kid I uh

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I wanted I alternated between between

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wanting to be a baseball star and some

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kind of writer and I actually did go

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back and forth I didn't have the talent

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for baseball and so I went into the

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university uh world I studied literature

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I studied politics studied history kind

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of fell in love with history and

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literature and philosophy I was all

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about liberal arts I thought I would

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like to be a professor of history at

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some University that's really what I

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thought my goal was going to be uh

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through all of my 20s I was a very

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serious student I was I was pretty good

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at what I did I feel and I just uh you

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know I was a sponge I just wanted to

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absorb everything that I could absorb

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about European history and American

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history and world history

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still like in this mode I was working on

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a PhD

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diplomacy and so forth

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and I was at a new age bookstore in uh

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the city of Syracuse New York I'll never

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forget this

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and I saw a UFO book on the book stand

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and it was Timothy Goods a very classic

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work Above Top Secret I think this was

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I actually can't remember the exact year

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out for a little while but I had not

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heard of it and it was a it's a for

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those who don't know it's a very fat

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book and I just remember flipping

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through it thinking

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I didn't know anything about UFOs I knew

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nothing but I knew a lot about history

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and I'm seeing names in the book that I

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recognized from my academic research

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but I'm seeing that here in this book

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context and it was very jarring to me I

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kept thinking wait what

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this guy read his Diaries I didn't know

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about anything concerning you UFOs I

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read all about that department they were

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doing UFOs why was I not informed you

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know this type of thing and so I was

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curious I think that's really what it

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was I thought this looks like a serious

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book he seems to put it together pretty

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well I could tell that an academic

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good job I'd like to know more so I

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bought the book

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and I read it and I got online with what

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was the internet at the time this is all

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pre uh you know this is all like very

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basic interface there's no graphic

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anything it was all bulletin boards but

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were out there and I got into that and

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the next thing I knew I just became

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obsessed with this subject because

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what started out was it was basically me

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just thinking you know what I don't like

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having this big question mark hanging

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over my head like I'm studying American

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policy of the 1940s and early 50s and

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here I'm encountering all these UFO

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people who are focusing on 1947 and the

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early 1950s and it was weird I thought

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if there's anything to this I would like

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to know and if there's nothing to it I'd

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like to know that as well so I thought I

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would take literally two maybe three

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months out of my life read a few books

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and decide like is there something to

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this or not that's how simple my thought

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processes was back then and what ended

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up happening is well I bought Goods book

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I as I said and I thought that was very

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good and um I started buying a few other

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books and I looked for

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government documents through Freedom of

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Information and the next thing I knew I

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was completely hooked I was like down

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the rabbit hole and

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I laugh now and I think back oh yeah I

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could just settle this in three months

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like no not exactly but what did happen

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is I became persuaded early on that not

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that UFOs necessarily were alien at that

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that this was a historical phenomenon

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that was being that had been taken

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seriously by the highest level

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individuals within the American national

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security community so that was

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absolutely unarguable and then that led

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to the next question why were they

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interested and I quickly learned well

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there are a lot of violations of very

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sensitive airspace by objects that were

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not supposed to exist that were said to

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be shaped like flying saucers well

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that's interesting next question do they

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ever resolve this did they figure it out

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I looked through it and no they clearly

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didn't figure it out next question where

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is the media in all this where is the

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academic Community like all the

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professors the smart professors who

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think they know everything we're the

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politicians well that led me into a

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study of manipulation of media of

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politics and of the academic Community

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by the intelligence community and it

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just you just go on and on I mean it

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just became a series of the most uh

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intense rabbit holes but it's not just

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one rabbit you know I wish it were that

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easy it's like in the movie The Matrix

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one of the great movies of all time

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Morpheus gives Neo the red pill it's

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like here's the truth dude

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if it were only that easy if there were

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only just one pill you have to take what

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really is the case is it's like

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it's like you're walking through life

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with all these veils in front of you and

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you finally you realize oh wow there's

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this veil in front of me blocking my

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vision so you finally rip it

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and you see a little bit better

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but then you realize there are more

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veils and you have to keep ripping those

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and each time your vision gets a little

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bit better

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but there's it's I'm still you know I've

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been doing this now for 30 years and I'm

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still ripping through more males wow and

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you've developed quite the style too and

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uh I mean for me though I think I've

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obviously seen you on TV for years but

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the first interview I saw you really um

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conduct was in 2013 uh and it was with

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uh like a dying CIA agent essentially

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had a few months to live he thought

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because his kidneys were failing and he

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basically told a story of you know Area

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51 being real and he worked with the

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government and part of teams that would

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fly around and go to Italy and

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everywhere else and he is just so

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believable and why would you want to

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fake that as your last like will and

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testament you know I think everybody

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becomes a little spiritual when it's you

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know time to meet the maker you're not

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going to really do that devious of an

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act three months before you know you're

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gonna expire so for me it was amazing

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that hey you got somebody with that

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story willing to talk to you and I I

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assume the gentleman has passed since

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then but maybe you can talk a little bit

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about that yes I'm actually very glad

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you did so first of all I I wanted I

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this because that man was originally her

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witness she had interviewed him

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uh many years prior when his health was

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much better and his story was quite

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consistent with her by the way

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um I didn't know this when I was asked

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to interview him I was actually asked by

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Steve Bassett who was this is during the

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time of the citizen hearings on

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disclosure which was in 2013. and um

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long story short there were other people

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involved in this but I was asked to

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interview this man

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so I went up there we drove up to

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Northern Minnesota

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I had to fly there and then we drove uh

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from Minneapolis it was quite a long

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drive and I see it was winter time

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um and we met at a very like tiny little

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Motel I met him and I met his son-in-law

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I'm very glad I met this man's

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son-in-law and incidentally um

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so the gentleman was not a CIA agent he

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was inaccurately portrayed in the

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YouTube video as that but what he he was

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was

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um I'm trying to get this right from

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memories a decade ago U.S army

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who was brought in to coordinate with

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CIA as he said it so he was working in

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the United States uh he originally said

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um

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coordinate with CIA overseas and they

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were analyzing UFO photographs and

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somehow his office he was roped into

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doing this I can't remember the detail

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why but um but then what he he

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stated that he was his supervisor

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uh went to the White House this is under

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Dwight Eisenhower and we're the very

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late 1950s

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and they

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according to what he said went to uh

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Area 51

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where he encountered

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um a variety of craft that he saw

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and and stated well you know this has

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been a while since I've even reviewed

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his my notes on him but

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he stated that

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the most dramatic thing was that there

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was a glass I think there was a glass

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window and beyond that he saw an alien

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being and he believed he had a

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telepathic message which was something

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like we mean you no harm or or to that

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effect I'll say this about him

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um you know

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he was I don't think he was deceptive in

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any way I'll never believe that

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um I had an experience with my own

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father toward the end of his life my dad

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was a New York city cop and uh I will

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just say I knew every single story from

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my dad's career he repeated them

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countless times I knew them by heart and

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I know that toward the end of my Dad's

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life he uh his story started to change

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and I said to him hey that's not how

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that thing went down and he was saying

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no no that's exactly how it happened but

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I know it wasn't the case so I wondered

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about this gentleman he was quite

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elderly and

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um but I here's the thing I spoke to his

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son-in-law

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said my father-in-law has been telling

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the story consistently for years

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there were there were one or two things

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I don't think that they made it to the

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YouTube video because we spoke for a

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long time they were one of two things

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this man said

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that the son-in-law said I'd never heard

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before so that makes me wonder but I

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think overall this man was was truthful

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and I will say since he's now passed

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away and he absolutely never wanted this

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out and uh but he's gone uh he talked

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very openly about domestic CIA

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assassination teams back in the 1950s

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and

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um presumably the 60s he seemed to like

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have absolutely no question about it

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which may not sound like a

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radical thing in the world that we live

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in today but for him it was a very very

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important thing and he did not he

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literally whispered into my ear we're in

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a hotel room

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and he uh

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wouldn't even say it out loud in the

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hotel room

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so I of all the things that he said to

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me that was the thing that actually

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struck me as the most dramatic uh meat

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seeing an alien that's absolutely

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top-notch uh seeing uh uh Alien craft

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yes absolutely but here's this man

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telling me about CIA domestic uh hit

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squads I thought very interesting but

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yes I I believed him I certainly believe

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this is honesty

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uh you know I I will say

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just because someone is honest doesn't

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mean that what they're saying is 100

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confirmable and there's still things

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that he said I don't I don't know how to

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confirm or you know disprove some of his

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claims but

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it was an interesting interview and I'm

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glad I got to do it

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nice and

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I want to ask you about like the global

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UFO or UAP events right now so it seems

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like we haven't had

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anything good since 2017 really we we

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have this I talked about the event in

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Europe in uh in Europe right now yeah so

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yeah so there's a few things happening

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worldwide so I thought maybe you could

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maybe fill us in on on what you know of

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what's taken place

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probably not a lot uh I'm not I'm not

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involved with that I'm not affiliated

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with it and I'm not really sure what

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their focus is to be honest with you

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it's probably something I should know

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there have been a number of UFO

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initiatives that have sprung up just

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among people among academic types and

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others and some of them I think are

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really interesting this one I can't

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really say very much about unfortunately

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yeah apparently um was it San Marino

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some tiny little country on the Italian

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shows they're petitioning the U.N to

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take this seriously and it almost seems

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like they're doing the betting for

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somebody else it's like they have a

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ticket that doesn't really matter one

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way or the other so but it's like the US

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doesn't want to use theirs or anyone

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else or be you know have to answer the

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barrage of questions that's going to

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come with why would you bring that to

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the U.N so it almost seems like they're

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just being used for that but regardless

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I think that's an awesome I want an

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annual conference I think they're kind

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of uh positioning themselves for an

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annual event am I I thought that's the

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impression I got yeah right the UN

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initiative yeah yeah but it's possible I

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mean look the United Nations is

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dominated by the United States and it's

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and its allies and

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um the UN almost never does anything

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that the US doesn't want it to do and

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the US is is run by

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hardcore Empire Builders National

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Security people neocons essentially if

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they allowed us to proceed well I'll be

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a little bit surprised you know this

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initiative there was something like this

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back in the late 1970s as many people

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know the tiny little nation of Grenada

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maybe a tiny bit larger than San Marino

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they also uh led by their prime minister

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a man named sir Edward Gary he'd been a

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UFO witness he was into UFOs he rounds

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up a bunch of UFO researchers J Allen

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heineck Leonard Stringfield a bunch of

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other people

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and and made a pretty good go at it

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Jacques valet was there a lot of people

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were there

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um and you know it it absolutely was

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squashed by us and and uh UK

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intelligence they killed it behind the

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scenes so I don't know this this one

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you know we're in a slightly different

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world

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uh today where the in public we're able

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to discuss UAP now much more openly than

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before so that's not a terrible thing

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that's a good thing pardon me the real

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question is how far can this

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conversation really go right and and is

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it being positioned in a way to descend

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to to uh sanitize it to defang it which

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I I don't know that that was the

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intention of the original folks who

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really pushed to get this out in the

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open I'm not saying Lou Elizondo and

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Chris Mellon

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um or the journalist Ralph Blumenthal

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Leslie Kane I I'm not saying that that's

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that was their intention but I do think

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that when you're when you are a faction

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that takes on the National Security

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state that has a vested interest in

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managing this subject the way they do

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um

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it's going to be very tough to outsmart

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them this is like a a chess game

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where they are their Grandmasters

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and what what have they done they have

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taken

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this this narrative just the UFO subject

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gets pushed out into the open over the

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last five years and and

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you know many many people the New York

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Times made it happen

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um I always felt that the New York Times

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leadership above Leslie and Ralph was

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very much

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wanting to put this out there only to

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get out ahead of the story because it

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was inevitable that was going to come

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out

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ttsa had done their press conference uh

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Elizondo and melon were about to release

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those videos there was nothing to stop

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it and I I think that Leslie and Ralph

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convinced the New York Times to take the

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story New York Times actually forced as

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skeptical a spin on it as you could

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imagine in one of those two stories that

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came out in 2017 they had people like

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skeptic James oberg quoted and this

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skeptic Yale nobody who had nothing to

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do with UFOs they throw these skeptical

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voices out there so it wasn't as if the

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New York Times was sanctioning a UFO

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disclosure

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I think what we're seeing is factions

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fighting it out that's what I've always

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believed since just about the beginning

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I think you're seeing

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a

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full disclosure but

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yes I think that there is an interest in

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opening the subject up a bit

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and then you're seeing a faction that's

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like

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absolutely no way and we will stop this

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with every inch of our you know of our

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every fiber of our being

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and I think that has not ended so what

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we're seeing is

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there's permission now in the mainstream

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very controlled media

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to talk a little bit once in a while a

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tiny bit about UAP

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and even that's almost gone away I mean

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who's really talking about it Tucker

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Carlson once in a while and in America

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he's about it that's it among the the

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you know mainstream

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um but when it's discussed no

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conspiracies no no don't talk about

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abductions don't talk about Crash

544
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retrievals don't talk about acquired

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technology don't talk about conspiracies

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don't talk about a cover-up don't talk

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about lies and government complicity

548
00:21:42,770 --> 00:21:40,860
because

549
00:21:44,390 --> 00:21:42,780
that's where in an era in which you're

550
00:21:46,970 --> 00:21:44,400
not supposed to believe in conspiracy

551
00:21:49,370 --> 00:21:46,980
theories what what is bigger than the

552
00:21:51,830 --> 00:21:49,380
UFO cover there's no conspiracy bigger

553
00:21:55,549 --> 00:21:51,840
than this one I mean maybe 911 okay

554
00:21:58,190 --> 00:21:55,559
maybe coven okay UFOs arguably can be

555
00:21:59,930 --> 00:21:58,200
the biggest of all and so it would be an

556
00:22:03,169 --> 00:21:59,940
extremely awkward to say the least

557
00:22:04,909 --> 00:22:03,179
position for the U.S government to say

558
00:22:06,470 --> 00:22:04,919
uh well don't believe in any of these

559
00:22:07,970 --> 00:22:06,480
other conspiracies yeah the UFO one

560
00:22:10,010 --> 00:22:07,980
that's kind of true okay we did lie

561
00:22:11,690 --> 00:22:10,020
about that one but all the other ones uh

562
00:22:14,990 --> 00:22:11,700
those are just conspiracy theories like

563
00:22:17,510 --> 00:22:15,000
they can't do that so the UFO cover-up

564
00:22:21,710 --> 00:22:17,520
there are certain red lines that cannot

565
00:22:24,049 --> 00:22:21,720
be crossed and the primary red line is

566
00:22:25,730 --> 00:22:24,059
that one that implicates the US

567
00:22:29,450 --> 00:22:25,740
government and cover-up

568
00:22:32,210 --> 00:22:29,460
and and that means no talk about Crasher

569
00:22:33,950 --> 00:22:32,220
tables no talk about acquisition of of

570
00:22:36,289 --> 00:22:33,960
any kind of exotic Hardware although

571
00:22:38,270 --> 00:22:36,299
anyone who has looked into this field

572
00:22:41,810 --> 00:22:38,280
with any

573
00:22:43,970 --> 00:22:41,820
amount of diligence and Care knows

574
00:22:45,770 --> 00:22:43,980
there's an overwhelming preponderance of

575
00:22:48,289 --> 00:22:45,780
testimony that speaks of this good

576
00:22:50,930 --> 00:22:48,299
testimony a lot of it

577
00:22:53,149 --> 00:22:50,940
there's a lot to say and

578
00:22:57,230 --> 00:22:53,159
so I guess what I'm saying is I think

579
00:22:58,909 --> 00:22:57,240
the conversation uh is is still very

580
00:23:01,870 --> 00:22:58,919
tightly controlled

581
00:23:04,490 --> 00:23:01,880
and the United States government has

582
00:23:06,649 --> 00:23:04,500
extremely close relationships with all

583
00:23:08,090 --> 00:23:06,659
big Tech and obviously with all the

584
00:23:10,789 --> 00:23:08,100
Legacy Media

585
00:23:12,770 --> 00:23:10,799
they are able to get their messaging out

586
00:23:15,730 --> 00:23:12,780
very very well

587
00:23:20,870 --> 00:23:15,740
um and I don't I don't see that changing

588
00:23:23,270 --> 00:23:20,880
as long as the this entire system stays

589
00:23:26,390 --> 00:23:23,280
in place so as long as the the

590
00:23:29,210 --> 00:23:26,400
Washington uh Nexus of power remains

591
00:23:33,830 --> 00:23:31,669
I I don't think it's going to change so

592
00:23:35,810 --> 00:23:33,840
where do you think that leaves these U.S

593
00:23:38,750 --> 00:23:35,820
you know Congressional hearings and

594
00:23:40,430 --> 00:23:38,760
reports and for me it looks like show I

595
00:23:42,049 --> 00:23:40,440
don't think they can admit openly that

596
00:23:44,210 --> 00:23:42,059
we've been lying for 70 years without

597
00:23:46,070 --> 00:23:44,220
totally losing everybody's whatever

598
00:23:47,330 --> 00:23:46,080
Faith they have in the government so but

599
00:23:50,149 --> 00:23:47,340
what I'm curious to know what are your

600
00:23:51,710 --> 00:23:50,159
thoughts on the last two years of UFO

601
00:23:53,810 --> 00:23:51,720
Reporting according to the government

602
00:23:56,510 --> 00:23:53,820
well let's talk about the last one first

603
00:24:00,049 --> 00:23:56,520
one from last uh was it late May Ronald

604
00:24:02,090 --> 00:24:00,059
Moultrie and uh uh Scott Brown or the

605
00:24:03,950 --> 00:24:02,100
two who are there I mean on a certain

606
00:24:05,990 --> 00:24:03,960
level I feel bad for these two guys you

607
00:24:08,390 --> 00:24:06,000
know obviously I don't think they knew

608
00:24:09,710 --> 00:24:08,400
anything of substance about the UFO

609
00:24:11,390 --> 00:24:09,720
subject if they did they certainly

610
00:24:13,669 --> 00:24:11,400
weren't showing it

611
00:24:15,470 --> 00:24:13,679
they go up there

612
00:24:18,590 --> 00:24:15,480
and

613
00:24:20,810 --> 00:24:18,600
you know Moultrie I recall him saying he

614
00:24:23,029 --> 00:24:20,820
basically gave the line that the United

615
00:24:26,270 --> 00:24:23,039
States Air Force was giving in the 1950s

616
00:24:28,669 --> 00:24:26,280
so we've graduated to that level where

617
00:24:30,830 --> 00:24:28,679
the Air Force at their famous press

618
00:24:33,049 --> 00:24:30,840
conference all those 70 plus years ago

619
00:24:34,669 --> 00:24:33,059
said well there's something out there we

620
00:24:37,370 --> 00:24:34,679
don't know what it is but it's nothing

621
00:24:39,710 --> 00:24:37,380
for anyone to worry about we can handle

622
00:24:41,390 --> 00:24:39,720
it it's we don't it's not aliens there's

623
00:24:43,190 --> 00:24:41,400
no evidence that's exactly what Moultrie

624
00:24:45,770 --> 00:24:43,200
said he said well with enough evidence

625
00:24:48,169 --> 00:24:45,780
information we know that we can identify

626
00:24:49,789 --> 00:24:48,179
and then he said mitigate all of these

627
00:24:51,590 --> 00:24:49,799
objects I kept thinking you're not

628
00:24:53,390 --> 00:24:51,600
mitigating anything you've been trying

629
00:24:55,250 --> 00:24:53,400
to you haven't mitigated this for 70

630
00:24:58,070 --> 00:24:55,260
plus years you think you're going to be

631
00:25:00,169 --> 00:24:58,080
in control of this situation now but

632
00:25:02,870 --> 00:25:00,179
their whole point was to downplay this

633
00:25:05,029 --> 00:25:02,880
to the public to

634
00:25:07,130 --> 00:25:05,039
whether it in bureaucratic language and

635
00:25:09,950 --> 00:25:07,140
make it as boring a presentation as

636
00:25:14,210 --> 00:25:09,960
possible but they succeeded there

637
00:25:16,430 --> 00:25:14,220
they did say that there were some un uh

638
00:25:18,770 --> 00:25:16,440
unexplained unknown reports they got

639
00:25:22,070 --> 00:25:18,780
their number up to about 400 they said

640
00:25:24,649 --> 00:25:22,080
this is over a 20-year span though

641
00:25:27,649 --> 00:25:24,659
um I personally for the 21st century

642
00:25:29,630 --> 00:25:27,659
have roughly 400 U.S military UFO

643
00:25:32,930 --> 00:25:29,640
encounters that I've collected

644
00:25:34,370 --> 00:25:32,940
so I mean I'm one person on my own you

645
00:25:36,409 --> 00:25:34,380
can't tell me that the best they could

646
00:25:39,230 --> 00:25:36,419
do is 400 reports

647
00:25:41,510 --> 00:25:39,240
uh the ones that I've collected are in

648
00:25:43,130 --> 00:25:41,520
all Declassified military documents I

649
00:25:44,870 --> 00:25:43,140
collect a lot of things that are in the

650
00:25:47,029 --> 00:25:44,880
public domain witness testimony and the

651
00:25:50,870 --> 00:25:47,039
like but hey if it if it involves a

652
00:25:52,789 --> 00:25:50,880
Chase of it by a jet of an unknown craft

653
00:25:54,350 --> 00:25:52,799
that counts in my book so that goes in

654
00:25:57,409 --> 00:25:54,360
my my database

655
00:25:58,789 --> 00:25:57,419
so they they said that they had all of

656
00:26:02,029 --> 00:25:58,799
these reports but they didn't describe

657
00:26:04,610 --> 00:26:02,039
really any of them and in the uh

658
00:26:07,669 --> 00:26:04,620
statement that just recently came out

659
00:26:09,610 --> 00:26:07,679
um you know they they described

660
00:26:12,289 --> 00:26:09,620
zero they didn't describe a single case

661
00:26:14,390 --> 00:26:12,299
they will not they'll never do that

662
00:26:17,210 --> 00:26:14,400
unless they are absolutely forced and no

663
00:26:19,669 --> 00:26:17,220
one's forcing them Congress is

664
00:26:21,529 --> 00:26:19,679
a bunch of National Security lap dogs

665
00:26:24,110 --> 00:26:21,539
does anyone really think that they have

666
00:26:26,090 --> 00:26:24,120
any Independence on this matter I don't

667
00:26:28,070 --> 00:26:26,100
I know a few people behind the scenes

668
00:26:30,409 --> 00:26:28,080
who have belief and faith in some of

669
00:26:31,430 --> 00:26:30,419
these members of Congress

670
00:26:34,190 --> 00:26:31,440
um

671
00:26:37,490 --> 00:26:34,200
I'm just not one of them so I I think

672
00:26:40,010 --> 00:26:37,500
what we're looking at is uh

673
00:26:41,630 --> 00:26:40,020
situation where these guys I'm talking

674
00:26:44,269 --> 00:26:41,640
about the people who really manage this

675
00:26:45,950 --> 00:26:44,279
bureaucracy of secrecy if they could

676
00:26:47,210 --> 00:26:45,960
drag the secrecy out for another five

677
00:26:49,970 --> 00:26:47,220
years they'll do that if they could drag

678
00:26:52,430 --> 00:26:49,980
it out for 50 years they will do that if

679
00:26:55,130 --> 00:26:52,440
they could drag it out for 500 they'll

680
00:26:56,570 --> 00:26:55,140
do that so they'll take it for as long

681
00:26:58,490 --> 00:26:56,580
as they can and

682
00:27:00,230 --> 00:26:58,500
you know so the fact that where we now

683
00:27:02,390 --> 00:27:00,240
acknowledge UAP

684
00:27:04,430 --> 00:27:02,400
whereas five little over five years ago

685
00:27:06,710 --> 00:27:04,440
we didn't or they didn't

686
00:27:09,590 --> 00:27:06,720
you could say that's a win

687
00:27:11,870 --> 00:27:09,600
okay I'll agree with that but think of

688
00:27:14,510 --> 00:27:11,880
it as like a football game you know you

689
00:27:16,610 --> 00:27:14,520
got 100 yards and

690
00:27:19,010 --> 00:27:16,620
the uh

691
00:27:22,570 --> 00:27:19,020
you know you're they're playing defense

692
00:27:26,450 --> 00:27:22,580
you're on your own uh 10 yard line

693
00:27:29,750 --> 00:27:26,460
and and you force the defense to move

694
00:27:31,909 --> 00:27:29,760
back you know five yards

695
00:27:33,649 --> 00:27:31,919
so okay good now you're on your 15 yard

696
00:27:35,390 --> 00:27:33,659
line but they're still playing good

697
00:27:38,210 --> 00:27:35,400
defense and they will do everything

698
00:27:40,730 --> 00:27:38,220
possible to

699
00:27:42,710 --> 00:27:40,740
stop forward motion on this manner

700
00:27:45,010 --> 00:27:42,720
and now of course we're going into an

701
00:27:47,149 --> 00:27:45,020
era which we're looking at a global

702
00:27:48,649 --> 00:27:47,159
globalist Revolution it's happening

703
00:27:50,750 --> 00:27:48,659
right all around us

704
00:27:53,149 --> 00:27:50,760
it's a national security Revolution it's

705
00:27:55,970 --> 00:27:53,159
a 24 7 surveillance Revolution

706
00:27:57,289 --> 00:27:55,980
it's a digital Revolution a panopticon I

707
00:27:59,450 --> 00:27:57,299
mean

708
00:28:02,690 --> 00:27:59,460
there will no there will be no privacy

709
00:28:04,430 --> 00:28:02,700
for anybody there will be uh fewer and

710
00:28:05,810 --> 00:28:04,440
fewer jobs I mean we have an AI

711
00:28:07,310 --> 00:28:05,820
Revolution happening right now that's

712
00:28:08,029 --> 00:28:07,320
scaring the living hell out of a lot of

713
00:28:12,169 --> 00:28:08,039
people

714
00:28:14,029 --> 00:28:12,179
well

715
00:28:16,070 --> 00:28:14,039
one thing they won't be allowed to do I

716
00:28:17,330 --> 00:28:16,080
think is protest and complain and I

717
00:28:20,029 --> 00:28:17,340
think we we're already seeing that

718
00:28:22,789 --> 00:28:20,039
around uh a lot of the world so I think

719
00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:22,799
in the UFO phenomenon the UFO field

720
00:28:25,909 --> 00:28:23,760
rather

721
00:28:28,730 --> 00:28:25,919
we're going to be seeing an Ever

722
00:28:29,950 --> 00:28:28,740
tightening of what is permissible there

723
00:28:32,330 --> 00:28:29,960
will be certain things that are

724
00:28:35,090 --> 00:28:32,340
continued to be permissible and other

725
00:28:37,190 --> 00:28:35,100
things such as cover-up and and criminal

726
00:28:38,630 --> 00:28:37,200
cover-up which I think increasingly are

727
00:28:41,690 --> 00:28:38,640
going to be

728
00:28:44,149 --> 00:28:41,700
uh just shunted aside it'll be

729
00:28:46,669 --> 00:28:44,159
not proper to talk about these things

730
00:28:48,590 --> 00:28:46,679
I can all you can already see the

731
00:28:50,390 --> 00:28:48,600
writing on the wall with this

732
00:28:53,450 --> 00:28:50,400
as far as I can tell

733
00:28:54,769 --> 00:28:53,460
it's funny too because when all this

734
00:28:57,230 --> 00:28:54,779
took place they announced that they're

735
00:28:59,870 --> 00:28:57,240
going to form this task force or skin

736
00:29:01,909 --> 00:28:59,880
we're all happy about it these

737
00:29:03,830 --> 00:29:01,919
clandestine organizations that have been

738
00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:03,840
running the show for all these years

739
00:29:07,669 --> 00:29:06,000
they're not just gonna disappear and

740
00:29:09,409 --> 00:29:07,679
wither away in the darkness they're

741
00:29:11,810 --> 00:29:09,419
still active they're still doing their

742
00:29:13,669 --> 00:29:11,820
jobs the job might have changed their

743
00:29:16,370 --> 00:29:13,679
tactics might have changed but they're

744
00:29:18,409 --> 00:29:16,380
still there they didn't go away and so

745
00:29:21,110 --> 00:29:18,419
we have this progress and sense of okay

746
00:29:23,090 --> 00:29:21,120
maybe you know Global consciousness of

747
00:29:25,970 --> 00:29:23,100
the issue but there's still going to be

748
00:29:27,950 --> 00:29:25,980
groups out there that it's in their best

749
00:29:31,549 --> 00:29:27,960
interests and interests of whoever is

750
00:29:33,289 --> 00:29:31,559
above them to keep this down low and so

751
00:29:34,370 --> 00:29:33,299
we're competing against these two groups

752
00:29:36,230 --> 00:29:34,380
and

753
00:29:39,529 --> 00:29:36,240
I'm sorry those two guys that are part

754
00:29:40,490 --> 00:29:39,539
of that um that new task force I I don't

755
00:29:41,990 --> 00:29:40,500
think they know what the hell they're

756
00:29:44,570 --> 00:29:42,000
doing they have no knowledge or

757
00:29:46,250 --> 00:29:44,580
background really and UFOs or uaps why

758
00:29:48,230 --> 00:29:46,260
have they contacted people like yourself

759
00:29:49,789 --> 00:29:48,240
who have been researched in this for

760
00:29:51,889 --> 00:29:49,799
years so this is the team that I would

761
00:29:54,529 --> 00:29:51,899
assemble not you know oh let's start

762
00:29:56,149 --> 00:29:54,539
from scratch I got this hold my beer

763
00:29:59,210 --> 00:29:56,159
um you know this is a sort of attitude

764
00:30:01,490 --> 00:29:59,220
that we have right you're laboring under

765
00:30:03,289 --> 00:30:01,500
the assumption a good assumption a noble

766
00:30:05,810 --> 00:30:03,299
assumption that we have a system that

767
00:30:08,330 --> 00:30:05,820
actually is designed to do what we think

768
00:30:10,850 --> 00:30:08,340
it's supposed to do and it and it just

769
00:30:12,110 --> 00:30:10,860
is not but you know you mentioned the

770
00:30:14,330 --> 00:30:12,120
military and the National Security

771
00:30:17,450 --> 00:30:14,340
Community uh you're right they're not

772
00:30:19,490 --> 00:30:17,460
going away I do think we are we want to

773
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:19,500
keep a close eye

774
00:30:27,470 --> 00:30:23,039
on events in the coming year

775
00:30:29,870 --> 00:30:27,480
because I I do wonder if outside events

776
00:30:31,430 --> 00:30:29,880
having nothing to do with UFOs may

777
00:30:34,070 --> 00:30:31,440
actually shake up the United States

778
00:30:36,110 --> 00:30:34,080
military in a way that might affect UFOs

779
00:30:38,870 --> 00:30:36,120
and I'm talking about the war in Ukraine

780
00:30:40,730 --> 00:30:38,880
and uh look I it's not I have I have a

781
00:30:42,830 --> 00:30:40,740
lot of thoughts about that I I talk

782
00:30:44,870 --> 00:30:42,840
about this on my website quite a bit but

783
00:30:47,450 --> 00:30:44,880
what I will say is whether whether you

784
00:30:48,950 --> 00:30:47,460
sub side with one uh the combatants or

785
00:30:51,830 --> 00:30:48,960
the other

786
00:30:55,130 --> 00:30:51,840
uh it's become quite clear that Ukraine

787
00:30:56,930 --> 00:30:55,140
has its game set match Ukraine has like

788
00:30:58,909 --> 00:30:56,940
I would say zero chance of winning this

789
00:31:00,289 --> 00:30:58,919
war particularly on the terms that

790
00:31:02,149 --> 00:31:00,299
they've set out which is the recapture

791
00:31:04,310 --> 00:31:02,159
of Crimea like it's not going to happen

792
00:31:06,230 --> 00:31:04,320
uh not even remote

793
00:31:08,870 --> 00:31:06,240
I followed that those events very

794
00:31:10,430 --> 00:31:08,880
carefully and and so what's happened is

795
00:31:12,649 --> 00:31:10,440
that the United States military is going

796
00:31:14,570 --> 00:31:12,659
to be in a very awkward position where

797
00:31:17,750 --> 00:31:14,580
the U.S has spent a hundred billion

798
00:31:18,950 --> 00:31:17,760
dollars to prop up what was

799
00:31:20,450 --> 00:31:18,960
before the war started everyone

800
00:31:21,710 --> 00:31:20,460
acknowledged the single most corrupt

801
00:31:25,250 --> 00:31:21,720
nation in Europe

802
00:31:28,549 --> 00:31:25,260
uh 100 billion dollars goes there

803
00:31:30,289 --> 00:31:28,559
and it's done it's done essentially

804
00:31:33,049 --> 00:31:30,299
nothing and will do nothing so there's

805
00:31:35,990 --> 00:31:33,059
going to be recriminations within the

806
00:31:37,909 --> 00:31:36,000
United States military uh there's going

807
00:31:38,930 --> 00:31:37,919
to be someone's going to have to be

808
00:31:41,630 --> 00:31:38,940
blamed

809
00:31:44,930 --> 00:31:41,640
and the real question will be are there

810
00:31:47,269 --> 00:31:44,940
any people who are angry enough to raise

811
00:31:49,970 --> 00:31:47,279
real hell about this

812
00:31:52,190 --> 00:31:49,980
I'm sure there's many a very angry U.S

813
00:31:55,970 --> 00:31:52,200
military people about this

814
00:31:58,070 --> 00:31:55,980
um many and the question is will this

815
00:32:01,070 --> 00:31:58,080
cause a shake-up

816
00:32:03,649 --> 00:32:01,080
within the U.S military probably not but

817
00:32:05,990 --> 00:32:03,659
you never know and would that shake-up

818
00:32:08,149 --> 00:32:06,000
have anything any repercussions on the

819
00:32:11,149 --> 00:32:08,159
UFO UAP subject and I say this because

820
00:32:12,950 --> 00:32:11,159
one thing I've noticed over uh the

821
00:32:15,769 --> 00:32:12,960
course of history

822
00:32:18,289 --> 00:32:15,779
is that every once in a while when a

823
00:32:20,990 --> 00:32:18,299
nation goes into significant political

824
00:32:24,950 --> 00:32:22,549
sometimes

825
00:32:27,889 --> 00:32:24,960
there is a repercussion with the UFO

826
00:32:30,529 --> 00:32:27,899
subject in in which case uh you have

827
00:32:33,590 --> 00:32:30,539
important UFO information comes out so

828
00:32:36,049 --> 00:32:33,600
probably the the greatest example was

829
00:32:38,870 --> 00:32:36,059
the breakup of the Soviet Union in the

830
00:32:41,330 --> 00:32:38,880
early 1990s when a tremendous amount of

831
00:32:43,850 --> 00:32:41,340
old Soviet UFO data came out

832
00:32:46,070 --> 00:32:43,860
uh George Knapp uh made a big score and

833
00:32:47,870 --> 00:32:46,080
got a lot of it of some of the old KGB

834
00:32:50,269 --> 00:32:47,880
what were called the Blue files

835
00:32:52,310 --> 00:32:50,279
uh but it also happened in the United

836
00:32:54,049 --> 00:32:52,320
States after Watergate in Vietnam we had

837
00:32:57,049 --> 00:32:54,059
our own crisis didn't cause regime

838
00:32:58,669 --> 00:32:57,059
change but Nixon resigned and before

839
00:33:02,029 --> 00:32:58,679
that though he strengthened the Freedom

840
00:33:05,389 --> 00:33:02,039
of Information Act which was directly a

841
00:33:07,610 --> 00:33:05,399
response to Vietnam and Watergate and

842
00:33:10,549 --> 00:33:07,620
all of the crises and strengthening a

843
00:33:12,169 --> 00:33:10,559
foia led to uh thousands and thousands

844
00:33:14,269 --> 00:33:12,179
of documents to UFO related being

845
00:33:15,889 --> 00:33:14,279
released so that was a political crisis

846
00:33:18,230 --> 00:33:15,899
and there have been a few other

847
00:33:20,450 --> 00:33:18,240
instances where uh the death of a

848
00:33:22,909 --> 00:33:20,460
longtime dictator whether in China or in

849
00:33:24,230 --> 00:33:22,919
Spain also led to the release of UFO

850
00:33:27,230 --> 00:33:24,240
information

851
00:33:29,450 --> 00:33:27,240
so what I'm saying is if there's a

852
00:33:30,830 --> 00:33:29,460
significant enough political crisis in

853
00:33:32,870 --> 00:33:30,840
the United States

854
00:33:35,210 --> 00:33:32,880
and and it could happen

855
00:33:37,310 --> 00:33:35,220
because this the war is not going to go

856
00:33:38,210 --> 00:33:37,320
the way the current Administration wants

857
00:33:40,909 --> 00:33:38,220
it that's

858
00:33:43,070 --> 00:33:40,919
you can take that to the bank so when

859
00:33:45,649 --> 00:33:43,080
things go really really bad and when

860
00:33:47,570 --> 00:33:45,659
they are undeniably bad

861
00:33:51,049 --> 00:33:47,580
uh when you are at the point not just of

862
00:33:55,970 --> 00:33:53,750
um I wonder what will happen and if it

863
00:33:58,490 --> 00:33:55,980
will have an effect on the UFO subject

864
00:33:59,870 --> 00:33:58,500
um at all probably not but it's just

865
00:34:01,850 --> 00:33:59,880
something to keep in mind

866
00:34:04,610 --> 00:34:01,860
it makes you wonder too you hear people

867
00:34:06,649 --> 00:34:04,620
say well you know when you see a Tic Tac

868
00:34:09,649 --> 00:34:06,659
or something is it ours is it Russia is

869
00:34:11,450 --> 00:34:09,659
it China if Russia had UFO attack this

870
00:34:13,070 --> 00:34:11,460
would be game over a long time ago this

871
00:34:14,869 --> 00:34:13,080
wouldn't be a long drawn-out thing

872
00:34:16,730 --> 00:34:14,879
unless you want to hide that maybe what

873
00:34:18,649 --> 00:34:16,740
are your thoughts on that absolutely I

874
00:34:20,290 --> 00:34:18,659
agree with you uh well let's talk about

875
00:34:23,149 --> 00:34:20,300
the Tic Tac case so that's November

876
00:34:24,889 --> 00:34:23,159
2004. it's almost 20 years ago now

877
00:34:27,349 --> 00:34:24,899
uh

878
00:34:28,430 --> 00:34:27,359
yeah I mean there's zero chance that

879
00:34:30,530 --> 00:34:28,440
that could have been Russia or China

880
00:34:33,950 --> 00:34:30,540
first of all you look at Russia in 2004

881
00:34:36,230 --> 00:34:33,960
Russia was still just recovering from

882
00:34:39,409 --> 00:34:36,240
the disastrous 1990s in which their

883
00:34:40,310 --> 00:34:39,419
entire military basically fell to total

884
00:34:43,389 --> 00:34:40,320
crap

885
00:34:46,849 --> 00:34:43,399
uh Russia Russia's military didn't begin

886
00:34:49,070 --> 00:34:46,859
to start revamping until after 2008.

887
00:34:52,430 --> 00:34:49,080
until they had their nose blooded in um

888
00:34:55,070 --> 00:34:52,440
in osichia placed there in Georgia so

889
00:34:57,530 --> 00:34:55,080
after that they did a a revamp and their

890
00:35:00,770 --> 00:34:57,540
militaries absolutely Stellar at this

891
00:35:02,150 --> 00:35:00,780
point but it took a while 2004

892
00:35:04,370 --> 00:35:02,160
and not just the military but their

893
00:35:05,990 --> 00:35:04,380
whole Tech infrastructure there's no way

894
00:35:10,069 --> 00:35:06,000
Russia is going to have a Tic-Tac UFO

895
00:35:12,650 --> 00:35:10,079
and also in 2004 Russia was very very uh

896
00:35:13,790 --> 00:35:12,660
wanting trying to be part of the Western

897
00:35:15,950 --> 00:35:13,800
Alliance

898
00:35:18,530 --> 00:35:15,960
Putin at that point maybe people forget

899
00:35:20,810 --> 00:35:18,540
this but he was actively seeking

900
00:35:22,310 --> 00:35:20,820
integration into the Western system he

901
00:35:24,829 --> 00:35:22,320
was still trying to get in at that point

902
00:35:26,810 --> 00:35:24,839
uh I think he was starting to realize

903
00:35:28,970 --> 00:35:26,820
the West didn't want him in but he was

904
00:35:30,230 --> 00:35:28,980
he was trying so there's there's no way

905
00:35:32,390 --> 00:35:30,240
Russia would have done anything like

906
00:35:34,430 --> 00:35:32,400
that and China

907
00:35:36,050 --> 00:35:34,440
even less so let China

908
00:35:37,910 --> 00:35:36,060
you know they have they've got very good

909
00:35:40,130 --> 00:35:37,920
technical capabilities now and they had

910
00:35:42,470 --> 00:35:40,140
decent capabilities in o4 but nothing

911
00:35:45,710 --> 00:35:42,480
nothing like what could account for a

912
00:35:48,170 --> 00:35:45,720
Tic Tac UFO some people uh believe that

913
00:35:50,450 --> 00:35:48,180
it could have been U.S black budget

914
00:35:52,609 --> 00:35:50,460
I remember early on I had a little bit

915
00:35:55,250 --> 00:35:52,619
of a private argument with Jimmy Church

916
00:35:57,530 --> 00:35:55,260
who did I think believe that

917
00:36:00,230 --> 00:35:57,540
I never bought that I I just never

918
00:36:01,790 --> 00:36:00,240
thought that that was a possibility it's

919
00:36:04,270 --> 00:36:01,800
not that we don't have radically

920
00:36:08,270 --> 00:36:04,280
advanced black budget Tech it's possible

921
00:36:10,490 --> 00:36:08,280
but Tic Tac I just I don't think so and

922
00:36:12,530 --> 00:36:10,500
I've never seen any hint that that's

923
00:36:14,329 --> 00:36:12,540
anything that we're making I think that

924
00:36:16,730 --> 00:36:14,339
this was and you know keep in mind

925
00:36:19,250 --> 00:36:16,740
something when uh fraver and his people

926
00:36:20,690 --> 00:36:19,260
encountered that object out there there

927
00:36:23,690 --> 00:36:20,700
were two objects it wasn't just one

928
00:36:26,829 --> 00:36:23,700
there was a apparently there was an

929
00:36:29,930 --> 00:36:26,839
underwater object that was quite large

930
00:36:33,370 --> 00:36:29,940
station or something right

931
00:36:35,870 --> 00:36:33,380
it was it was a Uso it was an underwater

932
00:36:38,650 --> 00:36:35,880
fairly substantially large object that's

933
00:36:40,790 --> 00:36:38,660
the next note on my page here USA yeah

934
00:36:43,670 --> 00:36:40,800
that weighed beautifully let's talk

935
00:36:47,030 --> 00:36:43,680
about Usos well yeah this is something

936
00:36:48,470 --> 00:36:47,040
that I've I've been um

937
00:36:51,170 --> 00:36:48,480
you know I've always everyone's who's

938
00:36:53,450 --> 00:36:51,180
not interested in underwater UFOs or

939
00:36:56,589 --> 00:36:53,460
UFOs it's fascinating subject

940
00:36:58,849 --> 00:36:56,599
but uh about a year ago

941
00:37:01,069 --> 00:36:58,859
on my I have a website it's called

942
00:37:02,569 --> 00:37:01,079
Richard Allen members and it's got a

943
00:37:04,310 --> 00:37:02,579
really active Community I've got really

944
00:37:05,870 --> 00:37:04,320
great members there I love those people

945
00:37:08,510 --> 00:37:05,880
and

946
00:37:10,790 --> 00:37:08,520
um somehow I can't remember but I think

947
00:37:12,890 --> 00:37:10,800
someone asked about

948
00:37:16,069 --> 00:37:12,900
a UFO sighting

949
00:37:19,069 --> 00:37:16,079
in a place called adak Alaska

950
00:37:20,329 --> 00:37:19,079
and if you uh if you ever look at where

951
00:37:22,069 --> 00:37:20,339
a deck is

952
00:37:23,990 --> 00:37:22,079
you look at the Alaska and then there's

953
00:37:25,370 --> 00:37:24,000
the Aleutian Islands that come all the

954
00:37:28,370 --> 00:37:25,380
way out into the Pacific and they the

955
00:37:30,710 --> 00:37:28,380
Aleutian Islands stand way out I mean

956
00:37:32,510 --> 00:37:30,720
almost reaching Russia

957
00:37:35,750 --> 00:37:32,520
as you get toward the end of the

958
00:37:38,450 --> 00:37:35,760
Aleutian Islands truly in the middle of

959
00:37:42,589 --> 00:37:38,460
nowhere you find this little rock called

960
00:37:43,970 --> 00:37:42,599
uh a DAC or is it adak Island it's it's

961
00:37:46,430 --> 00:37:43,980
a rock

962
00:37:48,170 --> 00:37:46,440
but the U.S

963
00:37:49,550 --> 00:37:48,180
um during the Cold War the United States

964
00:37:51,530 --> 00:37:49,560
actually did have a base there because

965
00:37:52,849 --> 00:37:51,540
it was in the proximity of a Soviet

966
00:37:55,609 --> 00:37:52,859
Union

967
00:38:01,069 --> 00:37:55,619
but anyway there was a pretty well

968
00:38:03,849 --> 00:38:01,079
known UFO Uso encounter from 1945.

969
00:38:07,069 --> 00:38:03,859
um in the summer of 1945 so the U.S

970
00:38:09,230 --> 00:38:07,079
Europe let me just say the Allied Powers

971
00:38:10,910 --> 00:38:09,240
were still at war with Japan

972
00:38:13,430 --> 00:38:10,920
U.S would step forward with Japan though

973
00:38:16,790 --> 00:38:13,440
the European war was over at this point

974
00:38:19,069 --> 00:38:16,800
and there was um

975
00:38:20,690 --> 00:38:19,079
there was a story in fact I've got this

976
00:38:22,910 --> 00:38:20,700
let me see if I can pull this up in

977
00:38:25,010 --> 00:38:22,920
front of me do I have this

978
00:38:29,329 --> 00:38:25,020
yes I do okay good

979
00:38:32,270 --> 00:38:29,339
uh yeah so this was uh there was this

980
00:38:35,510 --> 00:38:32,280
was investigated in the 60s by Dr James

981
00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:35,520
McDonald who is a very famous UFO Legend

982
00:38:38,810 --> 00:38:37,200
and

983
00:38:43,190 --> 00:38:38,820
um he interviewed a guy named Robert

984
00:38:45,230 --> 00:38:43,200
Crawford who was a radio man aboard the

985
00:38:48,890 --> 00:38:45,240
U.S transport ship was called the de la

986
00:38:51,470 --> 00:38:48,900
Roth and it was headed back to Seattle

987
00:38:54,109 --> 00:38:51,480
uh and it was near a deck

988
00:38:56,690 --> 00:38:54,119
and they

989
00:38:59,569 --> 00:38:56,700
had this bizarre it was around Sunset

990
00:39:01,750 --> 00:38:59,579
they're in the open sea and an object

991
00:39:04,310 --> 00:39:01,760
appeared

992
00:39:06,230 --> 00:39:04,320
seemingly coming out of the water the

993
00:39:08,390 --> 00:39:06,240
only thing about it is that no one

994
00:39:11,930 --> 00:39:08,400
apparently saw it literally come out of

995
00:39:16,430 --> 00:39:11,940
the water but they did see it uh low

996
00:39:18,589 --> 00:39:16,440
Over The Water Rising until it Rose uh

997
00:39:21,589 --> 00:39:18,599
to a higher altitude it was about a mile

998
00:39:24,470 --> 00:39:21,599
away at Sea when there's nothing else to

999
00:39:28,010 --> 00:39:24,480
be seen that's that's pretty close by

1000
00:39:30,109 --> 00:39:28,020
when you really think about it so it was

1001
00:39:31,970 --> 00:39:30,119
the sun was setting it was getting kind

1002
00:39:34,370 --> 00:39:31,980
of dark but they saw this object

1003
00:39:36,470 --> 00:39:34,380
perfectly against the sunset it was

1004
00:39:38,990 --> 00:39:36,480
circular uh they thought it was maybe

1005
00:39:40,910 --> 00:39:39,000
200 feet in diameter it's as it goes on

1006
00:39:43,490 --> 00:39:40,920
straight up it makes a turn and it

1007
00:39:45,970 --> 00:39:43,500
circles around their ship two or three

1008
00:39:48,710 --> 00:39:45,980
times uh Crawford said this to McDonald

1009
00:39:50,990 --> 00:39:48,720
he said it wasn't super fast he said

1010
00:39:52,849 --> 00:39:51,000
maybe about 100 miles per hour kind of a

1011
00:39:55,250 --> 00:39:52,859
leisurely speed for an Airborne object

1012
00:39:57,589 --> 00:39:55,260
but he said what was remarkable about it

1013
00:39:59,390 --> 00:39:57,599
is that its speed was totally uniform

1014
00:40:01,730 --> 00:39:59,400
there was no

1015
00:40:04,609 --> 00:40:01,740
um oscillation it didn't it was

1016
00:40:06,650 --> 00:40:04,619
absolutely a solid uh movement and then

1017
00:40:08,990 --> 00:40:06,660
it just flew away and it disappeared and

1018
00:40:11,930 --> 00:40:09,000
I think it left a couple of flashes of

1019
00:40:14,270 --> 00:40:11,940
light in its wake so I looked into that

1020
00:40:16,490 --> 00:40:14,280
I did a bit of a presentation on that

1021
00:40:20,270 --> 00:40:16,500
for my website

1022
00:40:22,970 --> 00:40:20,280
and that just got me on to a

1023
00:40:24,970 --> 00:40:22,980
a series I I just said from that point

1024
00:40:28,130 --> 00:40:24,980
onward I've just done a lot of Uso

1025
00:40:31,069 --> 00:40:28,140
research where I've done

1026
00:40:33,230 --> 00:40:31,079
um I've researched the history of Usos

1027
00:40:35,990 --> 00:40:33,240
fully in the 20th century and in the

1028
00:40:37,609 --> 00:40:36,000
21st century and I've just collected

1029
00:40:41,150 --> 00:40:37,619
um I should count but it's well over 100

1030
00:40:43,730 --> 00:40:41,160
good Uso reports uh with a lot of detail

1031
00:40:47,390 --> 00:40:43,740
good citations and I am actually writing

1032
00:40:48,170 --> 00:40:47,400
a book on it so I hope to have that done

1033
00:40:50,630 --> 00:40:48,180
um

1034
00:40:52,250 --> 00:40:50,640
maybe the first half of this year but

1035
00:40:54,530 --> 00:40:52,260
it's an absolutely fascinating subject

1036
00:40:56,870 --> 00:40:54,540
and what uh you know one of the things

1037
00:40:58,849 --> 00:40:56,880
that comes out to me is that the United

1038
00:41:00,829 --> 00:40:58,859
States Navy

1039
00:41:03,650 --> 00:41:00,839
among other navies but certainly the US

1040
00:41:06,230 --> 00:41:03,660
Navy has had numerous encounters with

1041
00:41:09,349 --> 00:41:06,240
these types of objects many these are

1042
00:41:10,730 --> 00:41:09,359
mostly unofficial reports so it's not

1043
00:41:12,770 --> 00:41:10,740
these are not things you're going to

1044
00:41:14,930 --> 00:41:12,780
find from Freedom of Information these

1045
00:41:17,270 --> 00:41:14,940
are things that come from U.S Navy

1046
00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:17,280
personnel and they tell they might

1047
00:41:21,410 --> 00:41:19,440
report it to the National UFO Reporting

1048
00:41:23,150 --> 00:41:21,420
Center they might report it to mufon or

1049
00:41:25,849 --> 00:41:23,160
they might report it to George feiler

1050
00:41:27,950 --> 00:41:25,859
one of my heroes of filer's files George

1051
00:41:30,170 --> 00:41:27,960
has been collecting UFO reports for

1052
00:41:32,870 --> 00:41:30,180
years but they could they get out there

1053
00:41:35,450 --> 00:41:32,880
and I've just been uh collecting them

1054
00:41:37,130 --> 00:41:35,460
from every good source that I can and

1055
00:41:39,670 --> 00:41:37,140
I'm putting them together into a book

1056
00:41:42,290 --> 00:41:39,680
and it's an absolutely fascinating thing

1057
00:41:43,490 --> 00:41:42,300
you know you think 70 of the world is

1058
00:41:46,370 --> 00:41:43,500
covered in water

1059
00:41:48,950 --> 00:41:46,380
yeah we we have we've mapped uh from

1060
00:41:50,569 --> 00:41:48,960
what I understand the tiniest portion of

1061
00:41:53,750 --> 00:41:50,579
the ocean floor

1062
00:41:55,250 --> 00:41:53,760
so uh what is down there

1063
00:41:57,410 --> 00:41:55,260
what's down there

1064
00:41:59,390 --> 00:41:57,420
yeah I think we know more about the the

1065
00:42:02,569 --> 00:41:59,400
surface of Mars than we do about our own

1066
00:42:03,950 --> 00:42:02,579
oceans could it be yeah it could be yeah

1067
00:42:05,810 --> 00:42:03,960
I I don't think

1068
00:42:07,310 --> 00:42:05,820
uh it's difficult you know the the

1069
00:42:08,870 --> 00:42:07,320
environment going down there you think

1070
00:42:10,550 --> 00:42:08,880
it's only two to three miles down at the

1071
00:42:12,890 --> 00:42:10,560
bottom of an ocean floor

1072
00:42:14,750 --> 00:42:12,900
uh trenches of course are deeper but

1073
00:42:16,670 --> 00:42:14,760
basically the bottom of the Pacific

1074
00:42:18,410 --> 00:42:16,680
Ocean is about 15 000 feet about three

1075
00:42:22,970 --> 00:42:18,420
miles

1076
00:42:24,770 --> 00:42:22,980
except you get down to the bottom of the

1077
00:42:26,690 --> 00:42:24,780
Pacific Ocean and the pressures are so

1078
00:42:28,670 --> 00:42:26,700
intense they just crush it like a paper

1079
00:42:31,849 --> 00:42:28,680
cup long before the bottom you

1080
00:42:33,950 --> 00:42:31,859
experience that absolutely absolutely

1081
00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:33,960
uh so it's it's a very daunting

1082
00:42:39,109 --> 00:42:36,480
environment and uh forget you know

1083
00:42:41,329 --> 00:42:39,119
divers my God I think I was reading if

1084
00:42:42,650 --> 00:42:41,339
if you dive anywhere close to that depth

1085
00:42:45,050 --> 00:42:42,660
it takes

1086
00:42:47,690 --> 00:42:45,060
you could get down to a deep deep level

1087
00:42:51,770 --> 00:42:47,700
in a short period of time but it could

1088
00:42:54,710 --> 00:42:51,780
take you hours many many hours like more

1089
00:42:56,690 --> 00:42:54,720
than 12 hours I think safely to rise to

1090
00:42:58,250 --> 00:42:56,700
the surface because otherwise you get

1091
00:43:00,710 --> 00:42:58,260
nitrogen bubbles right in your blood

1092
00:43:02,990 --> 00:43:00,720
absolutely yeah and you're done so it's

1093
00:43:05,210 --> 00:43:03,000
a very very dangerous process very

1094
00:43:07,190 --> 00:43:05,220
careful you have to be tricky so we

1095
00:43:10,550 --> 00:43:07,200
don't easily get down there but there

1096
00:43:11,990 --> 00:43:10,560
are Uso encounters that have uh

1097
00:43:14,030 --> 00:43:12,000
consistently

1098
00:43:16,730 --> 00:43:14,040
and I would say with a lot of

1099
00:43:19,069 --> 00:43:16,740
reliability and a lot of detail been

1100
00:43:22,010 --> 00:43:19,079
reported and they're not all from 1945

1101
00:43:24,710 --> 00:43:22,020
some of them are you know from

1102
00:43:26,870 --> 00:43:24,720
the last decade I uh

1103
00:43:28,910 --> 00:43:26,880
let me I I have can I pull can I tell

1104
00:43:31,309 --> 00:43:28,920
you one from yeah of course 2012.

1105
00:43:33,109 --> 00:43:31,319
absolutely just like a typical one and I

1106
00:43:35,569 --> 00:43:33,119
collected this one I think I got this

1107
00:43:36,650 --> 00:43:35,579
one from filers files and oh yeah

1108
00:43:39,829 --> 00:43:36,660
there's a group out in the Northwest

1109
00:43:42,050 --> 00:43:39,839
called UFOs Northwest I think it's run

1110
00:43:44,089 --> 00:43:42,060
by a guy named Bill Puckett yes

1111
00:43:47,750 --> 00:43:44,099
Bill Buck he collects a lot of these so

1112
00:43:50,450 --> 00:43:47,760
this one took place on April 10th 2012

1113
00:43:52,550 --> 00:43:50,460
at a place called Cannon Beach in Oregon

1114
00:43:55,250 --> 00:43:52,560
not far from where you guys are so

1115
00:43:56,569 --> 00:43:55,260
you're out uh in British Columbia it's a

1116
00:43:59,569 --> 00:43:56,579
little bit south of you on the west

1117
00:44:04,130 --> 00:43:59,579
coast of the US so this is 2012 in April

1118
00:44:06,470 --> 00:44:04,140
and uh this is where two cousins are

1119
00:44:08,510 --> 00:44:06,480
fishing they're off the coast they say

1120
00:44:11,450 --> 00:44:08,520
they're 12 miles out off the coast it's

1121
00:44:13,790 --> 00:44:11,460
about 5 p.m in April that means it's

1122
00:44:17,030 --> 00:44:13,800
laid out there's a lot of light they

1123
00:44:19,250 --> 00:44:17,040
hear a faint high-pitched hum they said

1124
00:44:22,069 --> 00:44:19,260
it was like a tuning fork if you can

1125
00:44:23,870 --> 00:44:22,079
imagine that I said the volume reduced

1126
00:44:26,569 --> 00:44:23,880
down to a low hum

1127
00:44:28,790 --> 00:44:26,579
in 30 second intervals

1128
00:44:30,410 --> 00:44:28,800
and it's cycled like this for about six

1129
00:44:32,870 --> 00:44:30,420
minutes what struck me about that

1130
00:44:35,390 --> 00:44:32,880
observation is how exact it is and how

1131
00:44:37,849 --> 00:44:35,400
unusual is if you're if you want a hoax

1132
00:44:41,809 --> 00:44:37,859
a UFO report would you think to say that

1133
00:44:44,270 --> 00:44:41,819
it sounded like a tuning fork it went it

1134
00:44:45,109 --> 00:44:44,280
had 30 second intervals I wouldn't think

1135
00:44:47,450 --> 00:44:45,119
so

1136
00:44:50,089 --> 00:44:47,460
they said they noticed seabirds

1137
00:44:52,250 --> 00:44:50,099
screeching seemingly confused and then

1138
00:44:54,650 --> 00:44:52,260
heading back to land and one of the guys

1139
00:44:55,970 --> 00:44:54,660
said our Compass was spinning like a top

1140
00:44:58,790 --> 00:44:55,980
I thought I was going to have a heart

1141
00:45:04,130 --> 00:44:58,800
attack they decided to leave the high

1142
00:45:05,690 --> 00:45:04,140
pitch noise is returned and the water is

1143
00:45:08,930 --> 00:45:05,700
according to their testimony the water

1144
00:45:11,150 --> 00:45:08,940
near the boat raised up rised up raised

1145
00:45:13,490 --> 00:45:11,160
up they said not like a bubbling but

1146
00:45:17,270 --> 00:45:13,500
like a flowing so again a very specific

1147
00:45:19,450 --> 00:45:17,280
uh detail they saw these bluish Lights

1148
00:45:22,250 --> 00:45:19,460
under the water and then a craft

1149
00:45:24,170 --> 00:45:22,260
surfaced they said it Rose to about 30

1150
00:45:25,790 --> 00:45:24,180
feet above the water they said it was

1151
00:45:28,790 --> 00:45:25,800
about the size of a baseball diamond

1152
00:45:30,530 --> 00:45:28,800
shaped like a V they said the humming

1153
00:45:32,690 --> 00:45:30,540
became higher until they could not hear

1154
00:45:34,849 --> 00:45:32,700
the hum and within a few seconds this

1155
00:45:37,670 --> 00:45:34,859
thing just flew off they said it popped

1156
00:45:40,309 --> 00:45:37,680
like a flash bulb and was gone the and

1157
00:45:44,630 --> 00:45:40,319
then the follow-up was the air smelled

1158
00:45:46,490 --> 00:45:44,640
like a salty arc welding odor hmm I have

1159
00:45:49,250 --> 00:45:46,500
to visualize everything like ozone

1160
00:45:51,349 --> 00:45:49,260
almost yeah maybe right

1161
00:45:53,510 --> 00:45:51,359
um they got they got ill in the

1162
00:45:55,970 --> 00:45:53,520
aftermath not the only time we've heard

1163
00:45:58,609 --> 00:45:55,980
of this type of an after effect uh one

1164
00:46:00,230 --> 00:45:58,619
guy uh one one witness said my hair is

1165
00:46:02,630 --> 00:46:00,240
falling out I don't know how much he

1166
00:46:05,809 --> 00:46:02,640
said my cousin's gums are bleeding

1167
00:46:07,190 --> 00:46:05,819
and um he was either losing his teeth or

1168
00:46:10,849 --> 00:46:07,200
his teeth were getting loose or whatever

1169
00:46:14,270 --> 00:46:10,859
so Bill Puckett looked into this and

1170
00:46:16,790 --> 00:46:14,280
uh I think he found it credible he put

1171
00:46:19,370 --> 00:46:16,800
his own support behind it and it's just

1172
00:46:21,170 --> 00:46:19,380
one one case it's like okay I don't have

1173
00:46:23,270 --> 00:46:21,180
a Freedom of Information Act document

1174
00:46:25,490 --> 00:46:23,280
that says the the Navy investigated this

1175
00:46:28,010 --> 00:46:25,500
and we probably never will what we are

1176
00:46:31,069 --> 00:46:28,020
left with is with witness testimony but

1177
00:46:34,069 --> 00:46:31,079
what I look for are witness testimony is

1178
00:46:37,370 --> 00:46:34,079
kind of like this that are specific that

1179
00:46:38,930 --> 00:46:37,380
have details that uh

1180
00:46:41,150 --> 00:46:38,940
you know

1181
00:46:43,370 --> 00:46:41,160
I I won't know any better than you guys

1182
00:46:45,349 --> 00:46:43,380
are gonna know did it really happen but

1183
00:46:46,430 --> 00:46:45,359
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say yes I

1184
00:46:48,589 --> 00:46:46,440
think it happened

1185
00:46:51,770 --> 00:46:48,599
I think that most of these witnesses

1186
00:46:53,750 --> 00:46:51,780
there are people who

1187
00:46:55,550 --> 00:46:53,760
for whatever reason like to just tell a

1188
00:46:57,589 --> 00:46:55,560
tall tale but I think that's quite rare

1189
00:47:00,410 --> 00:46:57,599
for the most part I think most of these

1190
00:47:02,150 --> 00:47:00,420
Witnesses are quite sincere

1191
00:47:05,510 --> 00:47:02,160
I personally have spoken to many many

1192
00:47:07,430 --> 00:47:05,520
UFO Witnesses and the vast majority have

1193
00:47:09,710 --> 00:47:07,440
always struck me is totally sincere and

1194
00:47:12,109 --> 00:47:09,720
just like these this report did so it's

1195
00:47:14,150 --> 00:47:12,119
a hell of a story it's like this V

1196
00:47:15,230 --> 00:47:14,160
object comes out of the water and just

1197
00:47:17,030 --> 00:47:15,240
shoots off

1198
00:47:19,970 --> 00:47:17,040
what is it that's off the coast of

1199
00:47:22,010 --> 00:47:19,980
Cannon Beach Oregon I might wonder is

1200
00:47:24,050 --> 00:47:22,020
there a base down there

1201
00:47:25,970 --> 00:47:24,060
I really don't know but I do think

1202
00:47:29,030 --> 00:47:25,980
there's a tremendous amount of activity

1203
00:47:31,790 --> 00:47:29,040
going on in this world that we are not

1204
00:47:34,930 --> 00:47:31,800
really very cognizant of the reports are

1205
00:47:37,370 --> 00:47:34,940
out there I find for my part very few

1206
00:47:39,530 --> 00:47:37,380
UFO researchers really bothered to look

1207
00:47:41,930 --> 00:47:39,540
into these reports uh people are talking

1208
00:47:44,750 --> 00:47:41,940
about disclosure and what the Navy is

1209
00:47:47,990 --> 00:47:44,760
going to say and you know what's the

1210
00:47:50,329 --> 00:47:48,000
latest iteration of the the uh UAP task

1211
00:47:51,950 --> 00:47:50,339
force or the arrow group

1212
00:47:53,809 --> 00:47:51,960
well those are interesting to know but

1213
00:47:55,730 --> 00:47:53,819
the fact is here's what's not being

1214
00:47:58,490 --> 00:47:55,740
discussed the fact that there are

1215
00:47:59,270 --> 00:47:58,500
countless thousands thousands every year

1216
00:48:00,410 --> 00:47:59,280
of

1217
00:48:02,569 --> 00:48:00,420
good

1218
00:48:03,829 --> 00:48:02,579
UFO sightings that take place every year

1219
00:48:05,630 --> 00:48:03,839
around the world

1220
00:48:07,250 --> 00:48:05,640
most of the world does not have a

1221
00:48:09,050 --> 00:48:07,260
reporting infrastructure to handle it so

1222
00:48:11,210 --> 00:48:09,060
we don't get too many of the reports we

1223
00:48:15,710 --> 00:48:11,220
know that they're out there

1224
00:48:17,750 --> 00:48:15,720
some of them filter to North America

1225
00:48:19,370 --> 00:48:17,760
whether it's the National UFO Reporting

1226
00:48:22,370 --> 00:48:19,380
Center or maybe mufon

1227
00:48:24,710 --> 00:48:22,380
most of them don't but I think there's a

1228
00:48:26,690 --> 00:48:24,720
lot of activity going on

1229
00:48:29,210 --> 00:48:26,700
um we never really talk about it you

1230
00:48:33,349 --> 00:48:29,220
know what what does it mean when

1231
00:48:35,270 --> 00:48:33,359
these objects rise out of the water

1232
00:48:38,569 --> 00:48:35,280
do we have any discussion of the

1233
00:48:40,190 --> 00:48:38,579
implications of what this means well

1234
00:48:42,470 --> 00:48:40,200
it's quite significant

1235
00:48:45,109 --> 00:48:42,480
UFOs are not just a problem of something

1236
00:48:47,809 --> 00:48:45,119
that's out there whatever they are

1237
00:48:49,490 --> 00:48:47,819
whoever they are they are here they're

1238
00:48:51,950 --> 00:48:49,500
on the ground they're in the oceans

1239
00:48:53,930 --> 00:48:51,960
they're in the water they're uh another

1240
00:48:57,950 --> 00:48:53,940
thing that I love studying are these

1241
00:49:01,910 --> 00:48:57,960
very bizarre but consistent reports of

1242
00:49:04,550 --> 00:49:01,920
low flying objects in the dead of night

1243
00:49:07,730 --> 00:49:04,560
at two in the morning three in the

1244
00:49:08,930 --> 00:49:07,740
morning of residential areas over

1245
00:49:10,970 --> 00:49:08,940
people's homes

1246
00:49:14,690 --> 00:49:10,980
at

1247
00:49:18,349 --> 00:49:14,700
ultra low altitude 100 feet 200 feet

1248
00:49:21,530 --> 00:49:18,359
uh almost not visible but they're

1249
00:49:23,630 --> 00:49:21,540
visible a typical report a guy will say

1250
00:49:26,030 --> 00:49:23,640
uh couldn't sleep I went outside to have

1251
00:49:27,589 --> 00:49:26,040
a cigarette or my dog needed to go

1252
00:49:29,569 --> 00:49:27,599
outside or something some reason they

1253
00:49:31,609 --> 00:49:29,579
had to go out it's 2 30 in the morning

1254
00:49:34,069 --> 00:49:31,619
and he said they would say I'm out there

1255
00:49:36,589 --> 00:49:34,079
and I look up and I see this usually

1256
00:49:38,930 --> 00:49:36,599
it'd be like a black triangle sometimes

1257
00:49:41,390 --> 00:49:38,940
it's a disc shaped object

1258
00:49:43,550 --> 00:49:41,400
and typically they would say it was in

1259
00:49:46,430 --> 00:49:43,560
silhouette but I I was able to see it I

1260
00:49:48,349 --> 00:49:46,440
saw it it wasn't easy and then sometimes

1261
00:49:50,690 --> 00:49:48,359
people will describe a light coming down

1262
00:49:53,630 --> 00:49:50,700
from it and they'll often say it's over

1263
00:49:55,130 --> 00:49:53,640
my neighbor's home or over my home

1264
00:49:58,550 --> 00:49:55,140
and

1265
00:50:00,230 --> 00:49:58,560
most of the time they'll just Glide off

1266
00:50:03,770 --> 00:50:00,240
well what is that

1267
00:50:05,930 --> 00:50:03,780
what is that these there are many that's

1268
00:50:08,990 --> 00:50:05,940
most UFO reports are not of that type

1269
00:50:11,270 --> 00:50:09,000
but a certain number are and they are

1270
00:50:12,829 --> 00:50:11,280
consistently of that type

1271
00:50:14,990 --> 00:50:12,839
and I just share this I would like to

1272
00:50:17,329 --> 00:50:15,000
know who's who's operating those objects

1273
00:50:18,650 --> 00:50:17,339
is that a black budget military thing is

1274
00:50:20,809 --> 00:50:18,660
that the Russians is that the Chinese

1275
00:50:22,390 --> 00:50:20,819
somehow I don't think so

1276
00:50:25,190 --> 00:50:22,400
who is it

1277
00:50:27,589 --> 00:50:25,200
and what are they doing

1278
00:50:29,510 --> 00:50:27,599
these are to me these are some of the

1279
00:50:33,290 --> 00:50:29,520
most burning questions that I have right

1280
00:50:35,750 --> 00:50:33,300
now well there's UFO subject never lacks

1281
00:50:39,050 --> 00:50:35,760
for burning questions but but the Usos

1282
00:50:41,329 --> 00:50:39,060
and the low-flying uh overflights over

1283
00:50:43,450 --> 00:50:41,339
people's homes are two things that I am

1284
00:50:46,309 --> 00:50:43,460
just convinced

1285
00:50:48,049 --> 00:50:46,319
need a broader discussion

1286
00:50:50,270 --> 00:50:48,059
these are and these are things that will

1287
00:50:52,970 --> 00:50:50,280
never come up in Congress they're not

1288
00:50:54,770 --> 00:50:52,980
going to be discussed these are very

1289
00:50:57,589 --> 00:50:54,780
very uncomfortable things to to talk

1290
00:50:58,430 --> 00:50:57,599
about and I I just think it's not going

1291
00:51:00,589 --> 00:50:58,440
to happen

1292
00:51:02,150 --> 00:51:00,599
but you know I often uh well we

1293
00:51:05,270 --> 00:51:02,160
mentioned this a few times actually on

1294
00:51:07,069 --> 00:51:05,280
the podcast but you know this uh study

1295
00:51:09,710 --> 00:51:07,079
of this phenomenon it's almost like a

1296
00:51:11,750 --> 00:51:09,720
four-year course that you would take at

1297
00:51:14,329 --> 00:51:11,760
University some just to get the basics

1298
00:51:16,069 --> 00:51:14,339
of of it all because it expands right

1299
00:51:17,390 --> 00:51:16,079
once you like you mentioned you go down

1300
00:51:19,549 --> 00:51:17,400
the rabbit hole you're like all of a

1301
00:51:21,950 --> 00:51:19,559
sudden you're you know looking at the

1302
00:51:23,569 --> 00:51:21,960
abduction phenomenon what's one of the

1303
00:51:25,609 --> 00:51:23,579
things that I don't like about this new

1304
00:51:28,490 --> 00:51:25,619
report is I find it very uh

1305
00:51:30,410 --> 00:51:28,500
narrow-minded in its research because

1306
00:51:33,410 --> 00:51:30,420
it's saying anything that's air space

1307
00:51:35,390 --> 00:51:33,420
and notice that they say space after air

1308
00:51:37,069 --> 00:51:35,400
not space first because they don't want

1309
00:51:40,609 --> 00:51:37,079
to give the illusion that they're

1310
00:51:44,630 --> 00:51:40,619
investigating UFOs or aliens uh and all

1311
00:51:47,450 --> 00:51:44,640
domains right uh it bugs me

1312
00:51:50,230 --> 00:51:47,460
um and it says resolution oh well the

1313
00:51:52,549 --> 00:51:50,240
the arrow one yeah yeah yeah

1314
00:51:55,010 --> 00:51:52,559
if they're gonna resolve this somehow

1315
00:51:57,309 --> 00:51:55,020
it's the resolution office yeah you can

1316
00:52:00,470 --> 00:51:57,319
highly of yourselves don't you yeah

1317
00:52:02,270 --> 00:52:00,480
but uh yeah and like it bugs me because

1318
00:52:04,069 --> 00:52:02,280
they're not looking at the phenomenon of

1319
00:52:06,770 --> 00:52:04,079
abduction which you know that is when

1320
00:52:09,530 --> 00:52:06,780
the the occupants of a craft that is

1321
00:52:12,109 --> 00:52:09,540
unknown is now in the domain of somebody

1322
00:52:14,329 --> 00:52:12,119
else right it's not in the domain of

1323
00:52:16,069 --> 00:52:14,339
spaces in somebody is house at this

1324
00:52:18,290 --> 00:52:16,079
point or there's an interaction of some

1325
00:52:19,730 --> 00:52:18,300
sort they're not investigating that the

1326
00:52:21,290 --> 00:52:19,740
other one that they don't investigate

1327
00:52:24,470 --> 00:52:21,300
are saying oh there's no health risks

1328
00:52:26,410 --> 00:52:24,480
according to UFOs and and Flight Risk or

1329
00:52:29,150 --> 00:52:26,420
whatever there hasn't been no medical

1330
00:52:31,490 --> 00:52:29,160
issues [\h__\h]

1331
00:52:33,530 --> 00:52:31,500
this has been plenty of documented cases

1332
00:52:35,829 --> 00:52:33,540
of people being talked to John Burroughs

1333
00:52:39,349 --> 00:52:35,839
yeah we have them on next week actually

1334
00:52:41,510 --> 00:52:39,359
just that in this case is well known and

1335
00:52:44,089 --> 00:52:41,520
he it's well known that he I mean John

1336
00:52:46,069 --> 00:52:44,099
could have died uh he he was able to get

1337
00:52:48,890 --> 00:52:46,079
medical intervention for his heart uh

1338
00:52:50,809 --> 00:52:48,900
this happened directly it seems directly

1339
00:52:53,630 --> 00:52:50,819
as a result of the rental shim case and

1340
00:52:57,230 --> 00:52:53,640
and the uh I hope he gets to talk about

1341
00:52:59,630 --> 00:52:57,240
this his uh efforts to get health care

1342
00:53:01,130 --> 00:52:59,640
as a result of this we're very difficult

1343
00:53:03,049 --> 00:53:01,140
it was very difficult for him to do that

1344
00:53:05,329 --> 00:53:03,059
it was a tremendous amount of

1345
00:53:07,549 --> 00:53:05,339
obstruction that was baffling I think he

1346
00:53:09,290 --> 00:53:07,559
was working um he was in Arizona and at

1347
00:53:11,569 --> 00:53:09,300
the time he was working with the office

1348
00:53:13,970 --> 00:53:11,579
of Senator John McCain who of course is

1349
00:53:16,790 --> 00:53:13,980
dead now but I think

1350
00:53:19,370 --> 00:53:16,800
um that that's correct and and from what

1351
00:53:20,930 --> 00:53:19,380
I recall John will tell you this but I

1352
00:53:22,609 --> 00:53:20,940
think they were mystified at first at

1353
00:53:24,290 --> 00:53:22,619
all of the uh obfuscation and

1354
00:53:26,150 --> 00:53:24,300
obstruction they were getting

1355
00:53:28,790 --> 00:53:26,160
from the military just to get access to

1356
00:53:30,829 --> 00:53:28,800
John's records but it had to do with the

1357
00:53:33,950 --> 00:53:30,839
uh the UFO incident that he was a part

1358
00:53:36,349 --> 00:53:33,960
of in 1980 in which he got very close to

1359
00:53:38,030 --> 00:53:36,359
a landed craft and it clearly had a

1360
00:53:40,670 --> 00:53:38,040
negative effect on his health and by the

1361
00:53:43,790 --> 00:53:40,680
way in uh the British report known as

1362
00:53:47,210 --> 00:53:43,800
the condyn report which

1363
00:53:50,270 --> 00:53:47,220
um came out in 2006

1364
00:53:52,370 --> 00:53:50,280
which to my embarrassment I didn't I was

1365
00:53:54,470 --> 00:53:52,380
one of many people but I did not really

1366
00:53:58,030 --> 00:53:54,480
read that report as carefully as John

1367
00:54:01,430 --> 00:53:58,040
did he found in that report

1368
00:54:03,589 --> 00:54:01,440
that um they talked very explicitly

1369
00:54:06,349 --> 00:54:03,599
about ill health effects from these UAP

1370
00:54:08,809 --> 00:54:06,359
they were quite explicit about it so no

1371
00:54:10,609 --> 00:54:08,819
there's there's uh official evidence an

1372
00:54:11,809 --> 00:54:10,619
official determination that these

1373
00:54:13,130 --> 00:54:11,819
objects have very negative health

1374
00:54:16,910 --> 00:54:13,140
effects if you under certain

1375
00:54:18,770 --> 00:54:16,920
circumstances without a doubt yeah would

1376
00:54:19,730 --> 00:54:18,780
you either a lawsuit you said Jay I

1377
00:54:21,650 --> 00:54:19,740
think yesterday we were doing another

1378
00:54:22,970 --> 00:54:21,660
show and Jason brought up the fact that

1379
00:54:24,950 --> 00:54:22,980
there was a family that successfully

1380
00:54:26,630 --> 00:54:24,960
sued the government because they

1381
00:54:28,430 --> 00:54:26,640
couldn't you know disprove that they

1382
00:54:31,210 --> 00:54:28,440
were over the air at the time and Jason

1383
00:54:33,589 --> 00:54:31,220
knows it better than I but yeah

1384
00:54:35,750 --> 00:54:33,599
I think so right it took place in the

1385
00:54:37,970 --> 00:54:35,760
70s and it was a little boy grandmother

1386
00:54:39,349 --> 00:54:37,980
and a mother in a car right yeah you

1387
00:54:42,950 --> 00:54:39,359
want to touch up a little bit on that uh

1388
00:54:44,569 --> 00:54:42,960
does December 1980 so very close and uh

1389
00:54:46,910 --> 00:54:44,579
they were down in a place called I think

1390
00:54:49,609 --> 00:54:46,920
Huffman Texas or around there

1391
00:54:51,950 --> 00:54:49,619
and uh yeah it was a lady named Betty

1392
00:54:54,650 --> 00:54:51,960
cash Vicki Landrum and uh the boy was

1393
00:54:57,230 --> 00:54:54,660
named Colby Landrum I think he was seven

1394
00:54:58,609 --> 00:54:57,240
at the time he was a young guy and they

1395
00:55:02,870 --> 00:54:58,619
encountered

1396
00:55:05,329 --> 00:55:02,880
a diamond-shaped glowing object as they

1397
00:55:06,770 --> 00:55:05,339
were driving that was accompanied by a

1398
00:55:09,589 --> 00:55:06,780
number of double rotor helicopters

1399
00:55:12,349 --> 00:55:09,599
Chinook style helicopters quite a few so

1400
00:55:14,809 --> 00:55:12,359
it's very odd so you know you have to

1401
00:55:17,589 --> 00:55:14,819
wonder is this uh an experimental object

1402
00:55:21,589 --> 00:55:17,599
that is being accompanied by US military

1403
00:55:24,470 --> 00:55:21,599
helicopters or is it an alien UFO and

1404
00:55:25,329 --> 00:55:24,480
these military helicopters are following

1405
00:55:28,549 --> 00:55:25,339
it

1406
00:55:30,349 --> 00:55:28,559
and you know a lot of people have have

1407
00:55:33,109 --> 00:55:30,359
tried to infer that well this is clearly

1408
00:55:35,390 --> 00:55:33,119
something that we're making and you know

1409
00:55:37,069 --> 00:55:35,400
from my part I've just never found that

1410
00:55:40,069 --> 00:55:37,079
to be a slam dunk case I think it could

1411
00:55:41,450 --> 00:55:40,079
we could go either way but the fact was

1412
00:55:42,829 --> 00:55:41,460
um I'm trying I can't remember who was

1413
00:55:46,490 --> 00:55:42,839
driving I think Vicki Landrum was

1414
00:55:49,069 --> 00:55:46,500
driving she gets out of the car

1415
00:55:51,710 --> 00:55:49,079
bad move by her because she's directly

1416
00:55:54,589 --> 00:55:51,720
exposed to whatever radiation this

1417
00:55:56,569 --> 00:55:54,599
object had which was tremendous and in

1418
00:55:58,490 --> 00:55:56,579
fact if I'm remembering correctly she

1419
00:56:00,890 --> 00:55:58,500
tried to get back in and the door handle

1420
00:56:03,049 --> 00:56:00,900
was so hot it burned her hand but

1421
00:56:06,410 --> 00:56:03,059
eventually she got back in but the

1422
00:56:08,510 --> 00:56:06,420
aftermath of this was a tremendous ill

1423
00:56:10,490 --> 00:56:08,520
health effects uh all of them

1424
00:56:12,230 --> 00:56:10,500
essentially suffered severe radiation

1425
00:56:15,109 --> 00:56:12,240
poisoning

1426
00:56:17,270 --> 00:56:15,119
um they they lived in the immediate term

1427
00:56:19,849 --> 00:56:17,280
and yes they did try to get Justice from

1428
00:56:21,589 --> 00:56:19,859
the um through a lawsuit but I think

1429
00:56:25,150 --> 00:56:21,599
they lost a lawsuit I don't think they

1430
00:56:27,890 --> 00:56:25,160
won I don't think they got oh okay

1431
00:56:29,089 --> 00:56:27,900
the courts anyway which is surprising in

1432
00:56:32,030 --> 00:56:29,099
itself

1433
00:56:33,770 --> 00:56:32,040
it did yeah it made it to the court uh

1434
00:56:36,049 --> 00:56:33,780
you know former mufon director John

1435
00:56:38,930 --> 00:56:36,059
schussler was involved in investigating

1436
00:56:40,849 --> 00:56:38,940
this case and he

1437
00:56:42,530 --> 00:56:40,859
uh you know I think was really trying to

1438
00:56:45,230 --> 00:56:42,540
advocate for them he's not an attorney

1439
00:56:47,510 --> 00:56:45,240
but they I don't think they I don't

1440
00:56:49,069 --> 00:56:47,520
think they got Justice on that case

1441
00:56:50,270 --> 00:56:49,079
yeah I'm trying to remember but I don't

1442
00:56:51,710 --> 00:56:50,280
think they did well I mean the

1443
00:56:53,630 --> 00:56:51,720
government would have to admit that it

1444
00:56:55,190 --> 00:56:53,640
was either theirs or not theirs and what

1445
00:56:56,809 --> 00:56:55,200
the hell was it that's a big that's what

1446
00:56:59,329 --> 00:56:56,819
it was yeah yeah the government there

1447
00:57:00,950 --> 00:56:59,339
was no admission from any military base

1448
00:57:02,569 --> 00:57:00,960
uh having anything to do with the

1449
00:57:06,290 --> 00:57:02,579
helicopters and certainly no one's going

1450
00:57:08,390 --> 00:57:06,300
to own uh the diamond-shaped UFO uh so

1451
00:57:10,370 --> 00:57:08,400
they were the these people were just

1452
00:57:12,589 --> 00:57:10,380
totally out of luck

1453
00:57:14,809 --> 00:57:12,599
yeah that's sad that's sad but again

1454
00:57:16,069 --> 00:57:14,819
when we hear about these cases even when

1455
00:57:18,049 --> 00:57:16,079
we were talking the other night with

1456
00:57:20,390 --> 00:57:18,059
another gentleman and we're talking

1457
00:57:22,670 --> 00:57:20,400
about the case in in you know Brazil and

1458
00:57:25,309 --> 00:57:22,680
all that when they're being in 1977 when

1459
00:57:27,109 --> 00:57:25,319
people are being attacked by these orbs

1460
00:57:28,549 --> 00:57:27,119
that just caused them to be anemic or

1461
00:57:31,130 --> 00:57:28,559
get these rare diseases several people

1462
00:57:32,510 --> 00:57:31,140
died that's right when you hear stuff in

1463
00:57:34,250 --> 00:57:32,520
the reporters saying there's no ill

1464
00:57:36,950 --> 00:57:34,260
effects from these objects it's like

1465
00:57:38,630 --> 00:57:36,960
Yeah from a distance but obviously when

1466
00:57:41,450 --> 00:57:38,640
they're close to us when they're in our

1467
00:57:43,609 --> 00:57:41,460
domain uh there could be some effects

1468
00:57:45,410 --> 00:57:43,619
right so yeah I thought I thought that

1469
00:57:47,990 --> 00:57:45,420
missing out of it was

1470
00:57:50,510 --> 00:57:48,000
I I think I mean the ill health effects

1471
00:57:53,270 --> 00:57:50,520
are definitely something that that's

1472
00:57:55,970 --> 00:57:53,280
important uh when I when I think of the

1473
00:57:57,589 --> 00:57:55,980
the full impact of the UFO phenomenon I

1474
00:58:00,349 --> 00:57:57,599
mean I would have to say I think we're

1475
00:58:02,690 --> 00:58:00,359
talking about this goes beyond any

1476
00:58:05,750 --> 00:58:02,700
radiation or any uh health effects from

1477
00:58:07,250 --> 00:58:05,760
terahertz uh electromagnetic radiation

1478
00:58:09,109 --> 00:58:07,260
or whatever else they they're giving off

1479
00:58:12,710 --> 00:58:09,119
I would say

1480
00:58:15,069 --> 00:58:12,720
we are dealing with a phenomenon to this

1481
00:58:17,690 --> 00:58:15,079
day by agencies

1482
00:58:19,010 --> 00:58:17,700
unknown entities unknown we've got a

1483
00:58:21,170 --> 00:58:19,020
pretty good idea that some of them look

1484
00:58:24,950 --> 00:58:21,180
like gray aliens and maybe a few other

1485
00:58:26,690 --> 00:58:24,960
variations yes but but we don't

1486
00:58:28,790 --> 00:58:26,700
we don't have

1487
00:58:32,750 --> 00:58:28,800
I mean think about how crazy this is

1488
00:58:35,510 --> 00:58:32,760
you've got a global phenomenon

1489
00:58:37,870 --> 00:58:35,520
thousands my own personal estimate I

1490
00:58:40,849 --> 00:58:37,880
mean I would I would estimate minimum

1491
00:58:43,190 --> 00:58:40,859
minimum 50 000 good UFO sightings around

1492
00:58:44,809 --> 00:58:43,200
the world every year I I would be

1493
00:58:46,910 --> 00:58:44,819
absolutely incredulous if it were less

1494
00:58:48,710 --> 00:58:46,920
than that just my own estimates when I

1495
00:58:50,750 --> 00:58:48,720
extrapolate out what we see in North

1496
00:58:53,030 --> 00:58:50,760
America North America you have ten

1497
00:58:55,510 --> 00:58:53,040
thousand twelve thousand confirmed raw

1498
00:58:57,710 --> 00:58:55,520
reports every year between US and Canada

1499
00:58:59,750 --> 00:58:57,720
you've got mufon you've got the National

1500
00:59:02,049 --> 00:58:59,760
UFO Reporting Center you've got Chris

1501
00:59:06,049 --> 00:59:02,059
Rakowski over up in Manitoba he gets

1502
00:59:09,349 --> 00:59:06,059
1500 to 2000 a year uh you got 10 to 12

1503
00:59:11,630 --> 00:59:09,359
000 specific unique reports in Northam

1504
00:59:13,010 --> 00:59:11,640
and two countries every year which

1505
00:59:14,750 --> 00:59:13,020
comprise less than five percent of the

1506
00:59:16,309 --> 00:59:14,760
world's population

1507
00:59:18,170 --> 00:59:16,319
so what's the rest of the world dealing

1508
00:59:19,430 --> 00:59:18,180
with they simply it's not that they're

1509
00:59:21,430 --> 00:59:19,440
not seeing it they just don't have the

1510
00:59:24,530 --> 00:59:21,440
infrastructure to report it

1511
00:59:26,270 --> 00:59:24,540
only North America has a decent UFO

1512
00:59:29,089 --> 00:59:26,280
Reporting infrastructure so I think

1513
00:59:30,589 --> 00:59:29,099
we're dealing with a massive massive

1514
00:59:31,430 --> 00:59:30,599
massive phenomenon

1515
00:59:33,230 --> 00:59:31,440
um

1516
00:59:35,390 --> 00:59:33,240
I'm not saying every report that comes

1517
00:59:37,130 --> 00:59:35,400
in is a legitimate report but even if

1518
00:59:39,109 --> 00:59:37,140
you take five percent you're still

1519
00:59:41,210 --> 00:59:39,119
dealing with many many many thousands of

1520
00:59:43,549 --> 00:59:41,220
good reports of sightings every year I

1521
00:59:47,030 --> 00:59:43,559
think yeah so you've got a massive

1522
00:59:49,089 --> 00:59:47,040
phenomenon of of by entities that are

1523
00:59:51,829 --> 00:59:49,099
clearly operating

1524
00:59:53,569 --> 00:59:51,839
beyond anything that's supposed to

1525
00:59:57,289 --> 00:59:53,579
exist

1526
00:59:59,030 --> 00:59:57,299
for what reasons why

1527
01:00:02,630 --> 00:59:59,040
well

1528
01:00:04,069 --> 01:00:02,640
maybe you know maybe they're

1529
01:00:05,390 --> 01:00:04,079
I realize we're probably running out of

1530
01:00:09,289 --> 01:00:05,400
time but if we can go over a few minutes

1531
01:00:11,390 --> 01:00:09,299
I'm not going to complain I would say

1532
01:00:12,710 --> 01:00:11,400
you know I've really tried to think this

1533
01:00:15,530 --> 01:00:12,720
through and I'm not saying I have every

1534
01:00:17,510 --> 01:00:15,540
answer but my own assessment is there

1535
01:00:20,450 --> 01:00:17,520
has been a UFO phenomenon probably for

1536
01:00:22,549 --> 01:00:20,460
as long as human beings have existed in

1537
01:00:25,010 --> 01:00:22,559
this form that we have here probably for

1538
01:00:27,710 --> 01:00:25,020
many many thousands of years however

1539
01:00:30,770 --> 01:00:27,720
I don't believe that it's been all the

1540
01:00:33,410 --> 01:00:30,780
same all this time I do believe that in

1541
01:00:35,450 --> 01:00:33,420
the last century or more

1542
01:00:38,990 --> 01:00:35,460
the phenomenon has ramped up

1543
01:00:40,849 --> 01:00:39,000
considerably and I say that because you

1544
01:00:42,289 --> 01:00:40,859
know people in the 19th century were

1545
01:00:45,109 --> 01:00:42,299
very intelligent they were very

1546
01:00:46,670 --> 01:00:45,119
observant they even thought about things

1547
01:00:48,770 --> 01:00:46,680
scientifically and you know what they

1548
01:00:51,230 --> 01:00:48,780
were not seeing many of these they were

1549
01:00:52,730 --> 01:00:51,240
not noticing many of these but we

1550
01:00:54,650 --> 01:00:52,740
started noticing them in the 20th

1551
01:00:56,089 --> 01:00:54,660
century and I think that's because they

1552
01:01:00,049 --> 01:00:56,099
actually started to become more numerous

1553
01:01:02,450 --> 01:01:00,059
in the 20th century why is that well

1554
01:01:04,069 --> 01:01:02,460
that's the easy part to answer

1555
01:01:05,870 --> 01:01:04,079
when you look at the long long history

1556
01:01:07,430 --> 01:01:05,880
of our species something that I'm

1557
01:01:09,530 --> 01:01:07,440
fascinated by

1558
01:01:11,089 --> 01:01:09,540
you know for all of our history we're

1559
01:01:14,030 --> 01:01:11,099
basically either hunters and gatherers

1560
01:01:16,250 --> 01:01:14,040
for hundreds of thousands of years or

1561
01:01:18,829 --> 01:01:16,260
then we invent agriculture about let's

1562
01:01:21,589 --> 01:01:18,839
say 10 000 years ago and we develop

1563
01:01:23,750 --> 01:01:21,599
writing and we still have a society of

1564
01:01:25,609 --> 01:01:23,760
horses pulling wooden carts

1565
01:01:29,569 --> 01:01:25,619
you know it's not like we could do much

1566
01:01:31,670 --> 01:01:29,579
about UFOs or they could do much with us

1567
01:01:34,130 --> 01:01:31,680
a couple of centuries ago we discovered

1568
01:01:36,289 --> 01:01:34,140
science like serious science

1569
01:01:37,730 --> 01:01:36,299
that's like that long ago in the long

1570
01:01:39,589 --> 01:01:37,740
scheme of things

1571
01:01:42,289 --> 01:01:39,599
we discover science and the next thing

1572
01:01:44,690 --> 01:01:42,299
you know we've got railroads we've got

1573
01:01:47,150 --> 01:01:44,700
airplanes we go to the Moon we've got

1574
01:01:49,190 --> 01:01:47,160
computers we've got nukes we've got now

1575
01:01:52,190 --> 01:01:49,200
strong Ai and now we've got

1576
01:01:55,430 --> 01:01:52,200
transhumanism like whoa

1577
01:01:56,990 --> 01:01:55,440
very very fast yeah and and we're

1578
01:02:00,109 --> 01:01:57,000
talking about things like space-time

1579
01:02:02,750 --> 01:02:00,119
metric engineering out of nowhere we're

1580
01:02:05,030 --> 01:02:02,760
about to LEAP into their world

1581
01:02:06,950 --> 01:02:05,040
and do you think they don't have an

1582
01:02:10,190 --> 01:02:06,960
inkling of that I think we've brought in

1583
01:02:12,289 --> 01:02:10,200
the whole Galactic local neighborhood to

1584
01:02:14,690 --> 01:02:12,299
observe what we are doing I think

1585
01:02:17,030 --> 01:02:14,700
they're interested in what we are doing

1586
01:02:19,069 --> 01:02:17,040
and maybe they think we're not going to

1587
01:02:21,289 --> 01:02:19,079
make the transition that's a possibility

1588
01:02:23,630 --> 01:02:21,299
maybe they're collecting our DNA I don't

1589
01:02:25,930 --> 01:02:23,640
know all the reasons but I do think that

1590
01:02:28,309 --> 01:02:25,940
our transformation into something

1591
01:02:30,349 --> 01:02:28,319
fundamentally different than what we

1592
01:02:32,329 --> 01:02:30,359
have ever been in the past

1593
01:02:33,829 --> 01:02:32,339
is what's getting them here

1594
01:02:35,630 --> 01:02:33,839
and I don't know if that transformation

1595
01:02:37,970 --> 01:02:35,640
is good or bad or even if those are

1596
01:02:39,890 --> 01:02:37,980
appropriate terms to describe it it's

1597
01:02:41,990 --> 01:02:39,900
going to be radically different we're

1598
01:02:44,510 --> 01:02:42,000
we're going through a a worldwide

1599
01:02:45,770 --> 01:02:44,520
Revolution and it has to do with the

1600
01:02:48,650 --> 01:02:45,780
transformation of the entire human

1601
01:02:50,630 --> 01:02:48,660
species so I think that that's

1602
01:02:52,250 --> 01:02:50,640
if there's any one reason why I think

1603
01:02:54,170 --> 01:02:52,260
these beings are here this has got to be

1604
01:02:55,670 --> 01:02:54,180
it you know we've often said well maybe

1605
01:02:58,670 --> 01:02:55,680
because we had nukes

1606
01:02:59,870 --> 01:02:58,680
I think that's a that's a very one

1607
01:03:01,370 --> 01:02:59,880
sliver

1608
01:03:04,069 --> 01:03:01,380
you know the fact that we were able to

1609
01:03:07,609 --> 01:03:04,079
crack the code of the atom is a is a

1610
01:03:10,789 --> 01:03:07,619
symptom of what we are doing that we are

1611
01:03:12,470 --> 01:03:10,799
vaulting into this new

1612
01:03:15,470 --> 01:03:12,480
state of being

1613
01:03:18,230 --> 01:03:15,480
that's transhuman post-human whatever

1614
01:03:20,930 --> 01:03:18,240
whatever it is but we're moving into it

1615
01:03:23,450 --> 01:03:20,940
and I think that that they

1616
01:03:26,030 --> 01:03:23,460
find that interesting do they find it

1617
01:03:27,589 --> 01:03:26,040
interesting as detached scientists or do

1618
01:03:29,870 --> 01:03:27,599
they have a stake in this in one way or

1619
01:03:31,970 --> 01:03:29,880
another there's a question that I

1620
01:03:33,609 --> 01:03:31,980
sometimes ask myself I don't have an

1621
01:03:35,690 --> 01:03:33,619
answer yet but

1622
01:03:37,250 --> 01:03:35,700
the thing that I like to do at this

1623
01:03:39,890 --> 01:03:37,260
stage you know when I started out with

1624
01:03:41,630 --> 01:03:39,900
UFOs 30 years ago I was I was all about

1625
01:03:45,770 --> 01:03:41,640
the nuts and bolts and just the facts

1626
01:03:48,049 --> 01:03:45,780
and I actually did not like to speculate

1627
01:03:50,750 --> 01:03:48,059
well that's all gone I I'm at a point

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01:03:52,370 --> 01:03:50,760
where I'm very happy to speculate it's

1629
01:03:56,329 --> 01:03:52,380
very obvious when I speculate and

1630
01:03:58,910 --> 01:03:56,339
sometimes I'm wrong but I feel like

1631
01:04:00,589 --> 01:03:58,920
what's the point of looking at all this

1632
01:04:01,849 --> 01:04:00,599
data if you don't have a conception of

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01:04:03,890 --> 01:04:01,859
what it means and so that's what I'm

1634
01:04:06,470 --> 01:04:03,900
trying and I've been trying to do is

1635
01:04:07,490 --> 01:04:06,480
actually to understand what is going on

1636
01:04:09,650 --> 01:04:07,500
here

1637
01:04:11,390 --> 01:04:09,660
from a factually based

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01:04:13,970 --> 01:04:11,400
evidence-based

1639
01:04:15,829 --> 01:04:13,980
uh standpoint and to just try to figure

1640
01:04:18,650 --> 01:04:15,839
it out as best I can

1641
01:04:20,569 --> 01:04:18,660
yeah you're doing good job sir and like

1642
01:04:22,910 --> 01:04:20,579
I said we're big fans of yours we've

1643
01:04:24,829 --> 01:04:22,920
been watching you on TV and reading your

1644
01:04:26,690 --> 01:04:24,839
books for years and it's just it's great

1645
01:04:27,890 --> 01:04:26,700
to be able to talk with you

1646
01:04:29,809 --> 01:04:27,900
um Louie do you have any final questions

1647
01:04:31,250 --> 01:04:29,819
for us yeah where can people follow you

1648
01:04:33,710 --> 01:04:31,260
Richard if they want to get to know and

1649
01:04:35,690 --> 01:04:33,720
hear your uh brilliant thoughts more

1650
01:04:37,549 --> 01:04:35,700
where can where can people find you

1651
01:04:39,890 --> 01:04:37,559
thank you um we'll have a YouTube

1652
01:04:42,349 --> 01:04:39,900
channel which is very easy for anyone to

1653
01:04:43,849 --> 01:04:42,359
check out it's just uh Richard Allen

1654
01:04:45,289 --> 01:04:43,859
intelligent disclosure is what it's

1655
01:04:48,589 --> 01:04:45,299
called it's

1656
01:04:50,210 --> 01:04:48,599
out there I I put out uh shows

1657
01:04:51,950 --> 01:04:50,220
um not as often as you guys but I'm out

1658
01:04:54,770 --> 01:04:51,960
there I put them out I try for once a

1659
01:04:56,930 --> 01:04:54,780
week usually it's every other week

1660
01:04:59,630 --> 01:04:56,940
um and um I have a website which I think

1661
01:05:02,990 --> 01:04:59,640
I've got indicated right by my name and

1662
01:05:04,789 --> 01:05:03,000
the website is richarddolinmembers.com

1663
01:05:06,650 --> 01:05:04,799
um it is a it is a member site but

1664
01:05:09,109 --> 01:05:06,660
there's tremendous amount of free and

1665
01:05:10,609 --> 01:05:09,119
free posts up there that I put so

1666
01:05:13,970 --> 01:05:10,619
there's a little bit of everything I do

1667
01:05:16,490 --> 01:05:13,980
have most of the uh most of what I do is

1668
01:05:19,490 --> 01:05:16,500
uh behind the paywall I

1669
01:05:22,250 --> 01:05:19,500
it's it's it's the best model that I can

1670
01:05:24,470 --> 01:05:22,260
engage in right now to pay my bills but

1671
01:05:27,349 --> 01:05:24,480
it works well and I try to provide a lot

1672
01:05:29,089 --> 01:05:27,359
of a lot of information for what people

1673
01:05:31,430 --> 01:05:29,099
um pay so I do have a lot of information

1674
01:05:33,049 --> 01:05:31,440
over at that website and I've got my

1675
01:05:34,910 --> 01:05:33,059
books on um

1676
01:05:36,710 --> 01:05:34,920
uh actually I've got another website

1677
01:05:38,630 --> 01:05:36,720
called richardolinpress.com which has

1678
01:05:40,609 --> 01:05:38,640
all houses all of my books

1679
01:05:42,770 --> 01:05:40,619
nice awesome well we want to thank you

1680
01:05:44,329 --> 01:05:42,780
for being so gracious with your time we

1681
01:05:46,010 --> 01:05:44,339
learned a lot and it's the type of

1682
01:05:48,470 --> 01:05:46,020
conversation we like to have yeah a

1683
01:05:50,150 --> 01:05:48,480
little bit of imagination but based on

1684
01:05:51,950 --> 01:05:50,160
fact and as you said if you don't

1685
01:05:53,510 --> 01:05:51,960
speculate how do you wrap your brain

1686
01:05:55,970 --> 01:05:53,520
around something that's this deep or

1687
01:05:57,349 --> 01:05:55,980
this profound so thank you for spending

1688
01:05:59,150 --> 01:05:57,359
an hour of your time I know you got

1689
01:06:01,609 --> 01:05:59,160
paying gigs and this isn't one of them

1690
01:06:02,750 --> 01:06:01,619
but uh we do really appreciate that and

1691
01:06:04,250 --> 01:06:02,760
we'd love to have you back again

1692
01:06:07,510 --> 01:06:04,260
sometime

1693
01:06:09,710 --> 01:06:07,520
have me back I'm happy to do it awesome

1694
01:06:11,870 --> 01:06:09,720
thank you so much sir a lot of fun I

1695
01:06:17,590 --> 01:06:11,880
enjoyed it very much perfect thank you